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Patrick Garies
20.08.2011, 09:21
Can DAEMON Tools mount "Enhanced CDs"? Is this functionality in DAEMON Tools Pro? (The advertising for Pro states "DAEMON Tools Pro supports more CD/DVD image types than any other CD emulator!" which seems to indicate that it has better reading support than Lite.)

When my physical Enhanced CDs are in the drive, I can double-click the drive icon or right-click that icon and select "Run enhanced content", but I can't do this via DAEMON Tools Lite's emulated drives with a mounted *.cue + *.bin image of the disc.

For each disc, the Device Info dialog's Media tab indicates that the data tracks are there. I think the problem may have something to do with the tracks being listed as part of a single session rather than multiple sessions as described in the *.cue file.

I'm using DAEMON Tools Lite 4.41.3.0173 with image files created via ImgBurn 2.5.5.0 on Windows 7 SP1 (64-bit).

Here are some *.cue files:


FILE "Backstreet Boys.bin" BINARY
REM SESSION 01
TRACK 01 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9500138
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9600158
INDEX 01 03:41:28
TRACK 03 AUDIO
ISRC USJI19710094
INDEX 01 07:35:55
TRACK 04 AUDIO
ISRC USJI19710095
INDEX 01 11:16:63
TRACK 05 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9600041
INDEX 01 15:51:48
TRACK 06 AUDIO
ISRC USJI19710096
INDEX 01 20:33:00
TRACK 07 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9500320
INDEX 01 24:58:60
TRACK 08 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9600036
INDEX 01 29:46:23
TRACK 09 AUDIO
ISRC GBAHK9600025
INDEX 01 35:18:05
TRACK 10 AUDIO
ISRC USJI19710097
INDEX 01 39:10:25
TRACK 11 AUDIO
ISRC USJI19710098
INDEX 01 42:40:50
REM LEAD-OUT 47:30:43
REM SESSION 02
TRACK 12 MODE1/2352
INDEX 01 50:02:43


CATALOG 0602517840240
FILE "Britannia High.bin" BINARY
REM SESSION 01
TRACK 01 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810065
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810066
INDEX 00 02:48:31
INDEX 01 02:48:34
TRACK 03 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810067
INDEX 00 05:30:22
INDEX 01 05:30:29
TRACK 04 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810068
INDEX 00 08:38:36
INDEX 01 08:40:65
TRACK 05 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810070
INDEX 00 12:13:11
INDEX 01 12:14:37
TRACK 06 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810085
INDEX 00 15:38:01
INDEX 01 15:38:34
TRACK 07 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810088
INDEX 00 18:27:08
INDEX 01 18:28:00
TRACK 08 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810089
INDEX 00 20:51:40
INDEX 01 20:52:64
TRACK 09 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810090
INDEX 00 23:39:48
INDEX 01 23:40:16
TRACK 10 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810091
INDEX 00 26:36:36
INDEX 01 26:38:67
TRACK 11 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810093
INDEX 00 30:12:17
INDEX 01 30:12:35
TRACK 12 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810095
INDEX 00 33:39:23
INDEX 01 33:41:42
TRACK 13 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810096
INDEX 00 37:09:74
INDEX 01 37:10:23
TRACK 14 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810099
INDEX 00 41:08:43
INDEX 01 41:09:69
TRACK 15 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810102
INDEX 00 44:33:72
INDEX 01 44:35:41
TRACK 16 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810104
INDEX 00 48:00:54
INDEX 01 48:01:19
TRACK 17 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810105
INDEX 00 51:48:32
INDEX 01 51:50:26
TRACK 18 AUDIO
ISRC GBUM70810106
INDEX 00 54:31:30
INDEX 01 54:34:28
REM LEAD-OUT 58:29:50
REM SESSION 02
TRACK 19 MODE2/2352
INDEX 01 61:01:50

Blazkowicz
20.08.2011, 11:18
And if you remove the "REM"?

Terramex
21.08.2011, 00:01
The REM SESSION command is an ISOBuster "add on": Powered by Google Docs (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Cn7u6kbGdvQJ:mirror.transact.net.au/sourceforge/l/project/li/libsmio/Documentation/CUE%2520sheet%2520format/CUE%2520sheet%2520format.pdf+Analysis+of+the+CUE+f ormat+By+Joachim+Metz&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj8Kk7q42qC6YspHSNmZ1K82vuuwQV9KfUCLcn6 K662suemVc4MgMKrfoC4GceKafv8whDRyAoTZ8ROfiZJjktuDq YB5m8OCZKvfg17l1BGCHn27KZbBQLXGAxjEZxZm4SGdHk8&sig=AHIEtbRBGF2_40Xxk9EWDaUZu0jt_L2-8g)

Image File Creation Settings (http://www.isobuster.com/help.php?help=285)

Cue-sheet files have limitations !! They're nice to get the track layout of a session, but they do not support Multi-Session discs. IsoBuster however adds features to the cue-sheet file so that Multi-session discs are supported as well. These entries are preceded by "REM" so that other applications (that do not support Multi-session cuesheet files) do not complain.

ImgBurn makes use of it to read/burn Multisession CDs, but afaik DT doesn't support that directive.

e.g. an MDS or MDX image created with DAEMON Tools lite should include all data accessible.

Patrick Garies
21.08.2011, 08:23
And if you remove the "REM"?I wasn't aware that "REM" was indicative of a *.cue file comment.

Anyway, removing all three instances of "REM" had no effect. Apparently, DAEMON Tools is silently ignoring the unrecognized "SESSION" lines.


The REM SESSION command is an ISOBuster "add on": Powered by Google Docs (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Cn7u6kbGdvQJ:mirror.transact.net.au/sourceforge/l/project/li/libsmio/Documentation/CUE%2520sheet%2520format/CUE%2520sheet%2520format.pdf+Analysis+of+the+CUE+f ormat+By+Joachim+Metz&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj8Kk7q42qC6YspHSNmZ1K82vuuwQV9KfUCLcn6 K662suemVc4MgMKrfoC4GceKafv8whDRyAoTZ8ROfiZJjktuDq YB5m8OCZKvfg17l1BGCHn27KZbBQLXGAxjEZxZm4SGdHk8&sig=AHIEtbRBGF2_40Xxk9EWDaUZu0jt_L2-8g)

Image File Creation Settings (http://www.isobuster.com/help.php?help=285)

ImgBurn makes use of it to read/burn Multisession CDs, but afaik DT doesn't support that directive.Yes, it appears that the creators of IsoBuster extended the (unspecified) *.cue format and the author of ImgBurn adopted this extension for multisession support.


e.g. an MDS or MDX image created with DAEMON Tools lite should include all data accessible.I tested this, and, indeed, both *.mds+*.mdf and *.mdx images created via DAEMON Tools Lite function correctly as Enhanced CDs when mounted.

Unfortunately, DAEMON Tools offers no functionality comparable to ImgBurn's "Verify" feature, so I can't be sure if the disc data was recorded 100% correctly. That makes me not want to use DAEMON Tools as a burning tool. I tried verifying DAEMON Tools' *.mds file via ImgBurn, but got the following error message:


Invalid or unsupported image file format!

Reason: Only version 1.x MDS files are supported and this one is version 2.0.

So it looks like Enhanced CDs are supported after all, just not in the way that I'd like. Guess I'll have to figure something else out. Thanks for the help.

Terramex
21.08.2011, 19:49
MDS v1, CCD and NRG are the formats that can be used with both DT lite and ImgBurn
- but only single track NRG image support in ImgBurn !

You could create a CCD image using the free edition of Alcohol 52% (Datatype Audio CD+).
Older Alcohol versions which still create MDS v1 images aren't compatible with Windows 7 x64.

EDIT: i forgot MDS v1 isn't practical either, only single session support in ImgBurn

Patrick Garies
22.08.2011, 07:47
MDS v1, CCD and NRG are the formats that can be used with both DT lite and ImgBurn
- but only single track NRG image support in ImgBurn !*.mds output is enabled by default via the "Image Layout File Format" options (along with *.cue which cannot be deselected), but ImgBurn only outputs *.mds files for data discs (and *.cue files for audio discs) as far as I can tell.

If I select "CCD" as an output option, I get *.ccd+*.img+*.cue files. DAEMON Tools won't mount the *.img file. Attempting to mount the *.ccd file results in an enigmatic error message:


Unable to mount image. Unable to access sub-channel file.

I don't know anything about *.nrg files and was not aware that either program supported them, but if the "single track" comment is any indication, that format would, of course, be useless for my purposes since I'm trying to construct images of multi-track discs.


You could create a CCD image using the free edition of Alcohol 52% (Datatype Audio CD+).
Older Alcohol versions which still create MDS v1 images aren't compatible with Windows 7 x64.I'll look into this. ImgBurn can verify *.ccd files in case Alcohol 52% lacks that functionality.


I wasn't aware that you also intend to burn the image.
DT lite doesn't provide an own burn engine but it can call up Astroburn Lite - which has a verify option.This reply was apparently censored or deleted, but I got it via email.

Apparently, I used incorrect terminology. I meant to say "ripping tool" rather than "burning tool".

I'm using the "Verify" feature after I ripped one disc to find that playback from the mounted *.bin image would exhibit a minor skip while playback from the source disc was fine. Apparently, the disc did not rip correctly.

I subsequently learned from the ImgBurn forums that it's impossible to verify an audio disc's data during the ripping process (unlike with DVDs), so this verification process is needed to make sure that data is ripped without errors. (Apparently, DVDs do not necessarily rip correctly either though given that one still failed this verification process. That's substantially better than with CDs though; all but two of the images that I had ripped prior to using this process failed verification.)

Terramex
22.08.2011, 10:17
...but if the "single track" comment is any indication, that format would, of course, be useless for my purposes...It is.



This reply was apparently censored or deleted, but I got it via email.
After some minutes i deleted it myself cause i found there's a bug in Astroburn lite when burning Mulisession images.
But now that i understand your intention (verify original against image) that wouldn't have been practical anyway.

P.S.:
in case you don't want the SPTD access layer on your system you can separately uninstall it afterwards
with the standalone installer (http://duplexsecure.com/en/downloads).
Without SPTD Alcohol will display an error message at startup and no virtual SCSI drives can be created,
but Image Creation isn't affected and still functioning