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estimablesir
30.08.2005, 03:41
I've learned by now that asking for release dates are a waste of time, since they always result in everyones favorite answer "when it's done" (and now possibly a ban) :shock: , I don't blame you.

My question is "What needs to occur for daemon tools 4 to be concidered a finished product?" I've read that it needs to be "bug free", but how do you know when a piece of software is bug free until you try it out on a real end-user?

This quote comes to mind "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence!" --Edsger Dijkstra

LocutusofBorg
30.08.2005, 04:44
Of course you can ask SUCH questions - we only don't want such crap-questions, otherwise we will never see the release of V4. We're
pretty hard working atm


"What needs to occur for daemon tools 4 to be concidered a finished product?"

That's easy to answer: all bugs WE(!) FOUND(!) must be fixed. bugs we DIDN'T
found can't be fixed, right?

So it is for sure NEVER bug-free (and imho that could be said about EVERY
software, everything more than a "hello-world"-program contain bugs - at least
the programs I (!) code. We're not UBER-coders ;)

atm, we found SOME bugs (not dozens of them) so I expect that we release
soon. But should we find additional bug, then we will fix it. And if we now
proclaim releasedate and we can't release it because of a heavy bug which
can, f.e., destabilize the end-users system, then we delay the release and
got BLAMED for it - don't you agree? So we think it's better to wait until
we're sure our work is finished (or lets say, we THINK it's finished, after release we will find out how good we worked)

Kinlaadare
30.08.2005, 08:53
(...)
This quote comes to mind "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence!" --Edsger Dijkstra

It can be said in another way : there're at least always two bugs in a program : the one that stays and the fact of thinking that the code is bug-free.


Locutus, you have a good way of life ;)

NetSoerfer
30.08.2005, 14:58
We're not UBER-coders ;)

- Objection! :)

Gee, why do I keep hitting the "edit" button instead of the "reply" one?! :D

estimablesir
31.08.2005, 03:52
I beg to differ, you ARE UBER-coders :) If you guys aren't uber, I don't know who is. Objection sustained!

Oh and yes, I do agree, you should be sure that all the bugs you found are fixed before you announce release, now if only ALL software developers could adapt the same mentality

Zodux
15.10.2005, 11:22
Say that to Blizzard and their God Damned World of Warcraft! xD