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Hakira
02.11.2005, 07:04
Ok I just want you all to know that I do like sony in alot of the entertainment devices that they produce because they are of exceptional quality and at a resonable price, BUT there is one thing that I have found that pisses me off about what they do to some of the new cds to implement DRM...

Please read this before posting, Sonys DRM (http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html)...

Xristaki
02.11.2005, 07:11
Hmm well the Sony your talking about must not be the same ones sold in America cause here most of them are crap :p

As far as Home entertainment surround sound systems they consistently score low marks.

In television production they still have problems with poor image quality when black and red are combined on the screen. Hency why Sony WEGA's are garbage and people still buy them for some strange reason.

As for the video game market, it took over 4 Sony Playstation revisions to get a working one in which the laser would not mess up. I've had 3 broken playstations where the laser would break and only allow you to play cd games and not dvd ones. Same holds true for all my friends that have had playstations and they've all had to replace one at least once.

No time to read the article you posted till tommorow cause its late here and need some sleep but I will comment on it as soon as I read it.

LocutusofBorg
02.11.2005, 07:25
READ!!! that article as soon as you're back - it's worth it!!

I will better not comment on "Sony" in this case - i guess the
article explain it all and no further comment from me is
necessary here except that I would never ever buy such
shit

Hakira
02.11.2005, 07:26
Hmm well the Sony your talking about must not be the same ones sold in America cause here most of them are crap :p

As far as Home entertainment surround sound systems they consistently score low marks.

In television production they still have problems with poor image quality when black and red are combined on the screen. Hency why Sony WEGA's are garbage and people still buy them for some strange reason.

As for the video game market, it took over 4 Sony Playstation revisions to get a working one in which the laser would not mess up. I've had 3 broken playstations where the laser would break and only allow you to play cd games and not dvd ones. Same holds true for all my friends that have had playstations and they've all had to replace one at least once.

No time to read the article you posted till tommorow cause its late here and need some sleep but I will comment on it as soon as I read it.

ok, WEGA's are crap, though all DLP projection TVs are crap.
Sonys no exception.
I have tryed a 150 dollar sony HTB and that sucked but again it goes back to the old saying, "You get what you pay for".

Now I have a 150 dollar pair of headphones by sony and they are great. I have a Sony NetMD player, great device no problems yet. I havent had the PS2 laser error ever, none of the people I know have had them... but I have heard of it. I own a PSP and I love it, Go watching videos while on a subway, I havent had any problems with the square button, which seems to be a common problem, as of yet. So with what I have purchased I am generaly please with most of the sony products...

Kinlaadare
02.11.2005, 10:06
What the hell are they doing? They've gone a bridge too far...

Kitna
02.11.2005, 12:14
I agree, this is just a little heavy handed.
I think I'll avoid letting any Sony/BMG CD's near my PC from now on.

Xristaki
02.11.2005, 18:29
After reading that article all I gotta say is wow. The fact they they stoop to these measures to prevent pirating is B/S. I'm starting to get really pissed off with this cause they are taking it too far. Their EULA doesn't even say that their installing backend stuff that can't be uninstalled.

First we got Starforce installing drivers into our system and now we got Sony hiding what could be classified as spyware. There companies are getting desperate and in doing so will eventually lead to a lot pissed off people. Theres a point where security is good but also a point where it becomes too intrusive. The simple fact that I can't make a backup of something I own with certain security protections is pissing me off lately.

Did you know that Starforce is reported to have problems with 1% of owners and they actually consider that feasible. To me 1% is a lot now a days. Instead of factoring in costs lost to pirating their factoring in losses caused by disgruntled legit buyers.

Did you also know the reason Rollercoaster Tycoon Wild has a huge bug where frames drop between 4-5 (yes I said 4-5) in night time mode is because of the Securom 7 bug they found. Atari themselves admitted it and they are working on a solution right now. Read their boards and you will find the atari employees post under the bug section.

This is all getting out of hand!!

Methadon
02.11.2005, 19:03
I'm not suprised about this at all.
But as Xristaki said, they are getting desperate.


Did you also know the reason Rollercoaster Tycoon Wild has a huge bug where frames drop between 4-5 (yes I said 4-5) in night time mode is because of the Securom 7 bug they found. Atari themselves admitted it and they are working on a solution right now. Read their boards and you will find the atari employees post under the bug section.
When thoes copy protections are affecting the gameplay in a bad way, that is just a sign of that they have gone to far.
And it also shows that they don't care about their customers at all.

Dllfile
02.11.2005, 21:33
Sad, amazing what companies are able to get away with. It is getting rediculous honestly.

I mean even with StarForce, there is nothing that tells you it will be installing drivers, nothing telling you on the box or manual that the game will contain StarForce, but yet as soon as you install a game ect,,, it then pops up saying, blah blah drivers installed, reboot?

I mean, there really should be regulation on things being installed without the users knowing, specially things coming from large companies.

What will be next? Companies allowed to destroy your system if they happen to think you machine contains anything illegal? Even without first proving it?

*sigh*

Hakira
02.11.2005, 22:11
I have found a web site dedicated to fighting all types of copy protection.

Freeculture.org (http://www.freeculture.org/)

Kaloyan_78
03.11.2005, 09:05
You know, I don't get it. Companies earn millions and millions dollars and yet they are still making products that have a protection that is annoying and, as said above, the products install drivers, that you don't know about until a warning window tells you, that there is something wrong. It has happened to me and it's annoying.

And the moviestars and singers! I mean, we have all seen how they live - from MTV's "Cribs", from VH1's "The fabulous life of..." and such. Now, tell me, that they are poor and that they don't make much! And still, the studios complain about MP3s and mobile phones that you can play MP3s on them. The music industries make about 5 billion $ a year, as far as I heard. So I listen music on my sell phone, so what? I should carry my original CD's everywhere I go or I could gather some songs that I like and listen to them?

And the hardware manufactures. Now, they can't complain but, from I read above, they are thinking more and more ways of preventing people from playing illigal game CDs. Well, you know what I mean :) . Ok, that is good, but when the quallity of those products(lasers and such) is poor, they may consider increasing the quallity and then other things.

That's why I love PCs. You can change parts and you don't need to take your PC to be repaird, you can repair it yourself and yon don't have to buy a new one, if something happens. You need to change the part and even, you could buy a better one:D .

Sorry, but i'm very sleepy so I may have writen something stupid:D .

Nemerov
03.11.2005, 10:25
I wonder since when Sony started with this stuff. Is my Sony OpenMG Jukebox (a DRM forced recording software for a minidisc-player) a giant coffin without a closed lid? The "open"-part of the software's name becomes quite suspicious now.

Methadon
03.11.2005, 11:46
Sony BMG has released a patch know that removes the cloaking technology component, according to Sony BMG.
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html

Underheaven
03.11.2005, 15:39
It's ashame that I'm forced to use OpenMG Jukebox just to put songs on my portable MP3 player. The MP3 to ATRAC conversion is a waste of time and disk space. Not to mention the inability to playback music in any other software such as Winamp.

Nemerov
03.11.2005, 16:09
It's ashame that I'm forced to use OpenMG Jukebox just to put songs on my portable MP3 player.
That's still o.k. in comparison with the other direction. Unfortunately, you can only copy music tracks from a MD-player to the PC when these tracks were uploaded by a) OpenMG Jukebox and b) by the very same PC. Ridiculously, I can't record something with a microphone and my MD-player and copy it digitally on the PC - instead I've to use the analog line-in of the soundcard. That's pretty annoying, especially when you know that the tracks can easily be copied much faster than realtime... But hey, Sony owns the patent for the MD.

Hakira
03.11.2005, 16:14
Sony BMG has released a patch know that removes the cloaking technology component, according to Sony BMG.
http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html

hmm, I dont trust this from sony, I think its just another way to update the rootkit on the system.



This component is not malicious and does not compromise security.
Umm ya, doent compromise security by hiding files and potentaly cripling drives.... Its like saying hey mister n00b you dont need to worry about a thing it doesnt compromise security, It only helps hackers place malisus code on your system without you haveing a clue about it... Im just waiting for when a new virus hides itself under the sony bmg rootkit...

Methadon
03.11.2005, 16:41
hmm, I dont trust this from sony, I think its just another way to update the rootkit on the system.

No, I don't trust it either, the patch does probably just hide it deeper.

Hakira
03.11.2005, 16:45
No, I don't trust it either, the patch does probably just hide it deeper.

Thats probably what it does... although if it does that someone will report it and then they will get threats of being sued again... because they said it would uninstall it but all it did was embed it deeper into the system...

RJARRRPCGP
16.11.2005, 08:31
I like Sony for the Gran Turismo games. For automobile driving simulation, seems to be the most realistic of driving games.

I can emulate Gran Turismo 2 on my PC with ePSXe and I enjoy it with the abilities that modern video cards have. ;)

It looks better than on a real PlayStation 1 with a normal television set when using anisotropic filtering!!!!

Hakira
17.11.2005, 06:55
I like Sony for the Gran Turismo games. For automobile driving simulation, seems to be the most realistic of driving games.

I can emulate Gran Turismo 2 on my PC with ePSXe and I enjoy it with the abilities that modern video cards have. ;)

It looks better than on a real PlayStation 1 with a normal television set when using anisotropic filtering!!!!

thats nice.. I used bleem to play it on the dreamcast... it was fun but a pain in the ass to control... on my pc it was even worse because I dont have a desent gamepad..

oh and thats not exactly what we are talking about in here...

xeroxide
17.11.2005, 08:36
After reading that article all I gotta say is wow. The fact they they stoop to these measures to prevent pirating is B/S. I'm starting to get really pissed off with this cause they are taking it too far. Their EULA doesn't even say that their installing backend stuff that can't be uninstalled.

First we got Starforce installing drivers into our system and now we got Sony hiding what could be classified as spyware. There companies are getting desperate and in doing so will eventually lead to a lot pissed off people. Theres a point where security is good but also a point where it becomes too intrusive. The simple fact that I can't make a backup of something I own with certain security protections is pissing me off lately.

Did you know that Starforce is reported to have problems with 1% of owners and they actually consider that feasible. To me 1% is a lot now a days. Instead of factoring in costs lost to pirating their factoring in losses caused by disgruntled legit buyers.

Did you also know the reason Rollercoaster Tycoon Wild has a huge bug where frames drop between 4-5 (yes I said 4-5) in night time mode is because of the Securom 7 bug they found. Atari themselves admitted it and they are working on a solution right now. Read their boards and you will find the atari employees post under the bug section.

This is all getting out of hand!!

This has been out of hand for a long time. Does anyone remember sony's Key2Audio? where they had a track that would crash the pc but be skipped in a conventional cd player?

haha, i remember how macs ate the disks but didn't spit them out... a lot of angry mac users back then :D

but the best part was, that this $76 million worth of protection was debuked by a guy with a permanent marker... colour in the track (which was visibly a different shade) and it skips it in the pc.... now thats inginuety!

atrac is also a pain in the @$$ and i should know, i use my trusty md all the time.... yes i am still an md user and will be until there is a better option for recording at great quality and for long periods of time.

anyways back on topic. Sony should use this cash and reduce overall costs, rather than do this BS and raise the cost for everyone.

Hakira
21.11.2005, 18:13
Sony should use this cash and reduce overall costs, rather than do this BS and raise the cost for everyone.


Yes I agree, sony should do something like, give people a break in the cost of alot of thier products because we all know they make a desent size off of most things, expecualy CDs and DVDs....

and I have a MD player also I use it for storage because I have found moded firmware that makes it baiscly a floppy drive that can play music, hehe