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Methadon
08.11.2005, 17:27
The company is being sued by Electronic Frontiers Italy.
Read about it here (http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Sony-Rootkits-Story-Continues-in-Court-11898.shtml).

johngalt
08.11.2005, 18:10
Ha!!! SONY gets burned - serves them right!

Methadon
08.11.2005, 18:16
They really deserved this, let's just hope that more suings are on they way.

johngalt
08.11.2005, 18:20
Wold be even nicer if someone turns this around to create a big pitfall for the **AAs as well. Unfair business practices to keep their sales up? let's see their sales this time next year :P

Hakira
09.11.2005, 06:24
Im just hopeing someone in the US will bring this suite. Unfortunily there isnt any one that would like to take on the R**A on because they have some unlimited source of money... It keeps on going and going.... Sooner or later it has to come to a stop and they will be bankrupt, Then we will all be happy!

al1uk
09.11.2005, 12:28
Its quite surprising that a repuatable company like Sony, would stoop lower then Starforce. At least with Starforce, the uninstaller is available, although it might be hard to find, and they don't use rootkits. I'm no Starforce fan, but I've gotta say that what Sony did is really shite.

Hakira
09.11.2005, 14:05
Its quite surprising that a repuatable company like Sony, would stoop lower then Starforce. At least with Starforce, the uninstaller is available, although it might be hard to find, and they don't use rootkits. I'm no Starforce fan, but I've gotta say that what Sony did is really shite.

Oh, I agree with you 100%, Sony should have looked into what they purchased for a DRM better. If they saw it was that intrusive their legal department might have been able to advise them of not doing it, but like all over grown companys they tend to look at everything in dollars, The risk of someone finding what they where doing was less than what it would soposivly save them money.

Although, DRM in general is a bad practic, its like saying Ill sell you this candy bar for $2.50, but you can only take 3 bites out of it. While someone online will sell you a peice of the candy bar for free.

In my opion its better to leave things like they where 4 years ago when napster was still around. Hell untill they went after Napster and all the look-alikes, I read statistic that thier profits where double of what they use to be... and again here comes a company with $$$ in there eyes and trys to take down what people relyed on. All they accomplished was to piss people off, and in the next year their profits where cut in almost a quarter of what they were projected to be. And then they go to blame music piracy on what caused their profits to drop. All they ended up doing was advertising for P2P file shareing groups and such. Along with that they aleanted people who now refuse to purchase any CDs and will pull off all their stuff of ether Itunes or the P2P file groups. If they had left it alone they probly would have had a greater profit in just leting napster run its course.

And what I find funny is that Software Piracy isnt realy prosicuted unless its on a large scale. a 30 dollar game / APP isnt worth a $3,000,000 law suite agenst a 12 year old girl..

Methadon
10.11.2005, 21:23
Antivirus Firms Take On Sony DRM.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Antivirus_Firms_Take_On_Sony_DRM/1131641594

Hakira
11.11.2005, 09:19
Antivirus Firms Take On Sony DRM.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Antivirus_Firms_Take_On_Sony_DRM/1131641594


Holy hell, some how they draged microsoft in on the whole DRM root kit thing... I like how alot of viral companys have labled it a malware app! Go power of the people...

Hehe, the US got in on it to

FINALY, Sony getting what it deserves for shit software....

Methadon
11.11.2005, 19:42
Following a week of consumer pressure, Sony BMG is backing away from its controversial CD copy-protection software, which installs a rootkit to prevent the DRM from being removed and potentially opens the door for security vulnerabilities. The label will stop making CDs that use the technology, known as XCP.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Sony_BMG_Pulling_Controversial_DRM/1131735499

Underheaven
11.11.2005, 21:43
Stewart Baker newly appointed Assitant Secretary for Policy for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said (warning Sony)

It's very important to remember that it's your intellectual property -- it's not your computer

Hakira
12.11.2005, 09:53
Stewart Baker newly appointed Assitant Secretary for Policy for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said (warning Sony)

Yes, The US is going to take on sony... It actualy from a few of my friends that work for the goverment, say that this root kit problem gave a few of thier admins a real scare.. Just think about it, Things that are close to undetectable on goverment machines, Thats just bad, very , very bad...

ß
12.11.2005, 10:20
While someone online will sell you a peice of the candy bar for free.

The above statment is what is commonly refered to as a paradox.


Yes, The US is going to take on sony... It actualy from a few of my friends that work for the goverment, say that this root kit problem gave a few of thier admins a real scare.. Just think about it, Things that are close to undetectable on goverment machines, Thats just bad, very , very bad...

If true, those "admins" should be fired and charged for infecting those Government machines. Alas I don't buy that anyway. Proper US Government systems are protected in many ways including proprietary software and they would NOT install music CD's or games. You should know that!! And in many cases would not even have CD/DVD drives on the end user's machines, thus called workstations, with station being the operative word.

Do you realise that for example the C.I.A. uses and manufactures their own CPU's and other hardware ? They do NOT rely on Intel or AMD or whoever. Let's give the world's "only remaining superpower" a little bit more credit, eh ?!

PS: A local municipal library in Arizona, where Harry the "admin" installed some music CD's does not a US Goverment constitute.

Hakira
12.11.2005, 10:30
If true, those "admins" shoul be fired for infecting those Government machines. Alas I don't buy that anyway. Proper US Government systems are protected in many ways including proprietary software and they would NOT install music CD's or games. You should know that!! Do you realise that for example the C.I.A. uses and manufactures their own CPU's and other hardware ? They do NOT rely on Intel or AMD or whoever.

Ok, its not the admins that installed it, its the users and what I was saying is midlevel employes where at fault, so basicly paper pushers...

And Umm hate to break it to you but, most divitions use practicly off the self systems.... The only diffrence is that the software they use... as far as I know, the CIA is the same... what you say would be true from the '60 - '90. I dont however know what the NSA uses.

Underheaven
13.11.2005, 07:32
I agree with Hakira that U.S. government systems are vulnerable to infection by Sony's music cds. I would guess most agencies that don't have 'security' in the first few paragraphs of their charter/description.

Underheaven
15.11.2005, 07:39
If anyone has run the official XCP uninstaller:

UPDATE: If youre technically sophisticated, and you have run the XCP uninstaller on your computer, you may be able to help us in our investigations. It wont take long. Please contact Alex to volunteer. Thanks.

webpage url:
freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=926

RJARRRPCGP
16.11.2005, 08:21
XCP sucks, because it can intendedly make corrupted CDs so that your PC can't recognise them!!! :mad:

There's already a web site that has declared some CDs as corrupted, because of being unreadable in PC CD drives.

al1uk
16.11.2005, 17:07
Sony has started to recall the cds with the protection.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4441928.stm

Hakira
17.11.2005, 06:50
Sony has started to recall the cds with the protection.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4441928.stm

hehe, sonys loseing big with all of this DRM buil S***... Serves them right..

Underheaven
17.11.2005, 07:04
Well it seems Sony requires you to install an ActiveX program before starting the uninstall.


1. You fill out an uninstall request on Sony’s web site.

2. Sony sends you an email with a link to a second request form. When you follow this link, Sony’s site automatically installs a piece of software–an ActiveX control created by First4Internet–called CodeSupport.

3. After delay, Sony sends another email with a link to a third web page that removes the copy protection software. However, the CodeSupport component remains on your computer indefinitely.

Due to a serious design flaw, the CodeSupport component allows any web site you visit to download and run software on your computer. A malicious web site author can write an evil program, package up that program appropriately, put the packaged code at some URL, and then write a web page that causes CodeSupport to download and run code from that URL.
webpage url:
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=928

Sabrehawk
19.11.2005, 07:09
Stop bashing this company just because some morons
have made a stupid mistake (probably out of mere ignorance as well)

Im not a Sony Fanboy or nothing but this company has
brought many new things to the people that we all love and
use or used in the past and they are not in a good financial
situation too...i hope this wont break their neck what a
stupid way to fuck up a such great name as sony.

AnalCobra
21.11.2005, 15:19
The new version of AnyDVD tackles Sony DRM Rootkit.
Look at slysoft.com.
I havn't tested it, yet.

Underheaven
21.11.2005, 16:06
Sabrehawk you're right about being mean to sony. If I uploaded a picture of my electronics stack near my TV you'd see a lot of sony. I do like the company.

Hakira
21.11.2005, 18:19
Stop bashing this company just because some morons
have made a stupid mistake (probably out of mere ignorance as well)

Im not a Sony Fanboy or nothing but this company has
brought many new things to the people that we all love and
use or used in the past and they are not in a good financial
situation too...i hope this wont break their neck what a
stupid way to fuck up a such great name as sony.

we never ment to bash the sony name, we just are pointing out how some ways to gain control of profit leaks are bad and hurt the corporation in the long run. Also as far as I can see sonys still in the green, they however will be in the red next year because they are going to lose so much on the PS3... a current estimate of $599 probly wont go over too well with most consumers, and they also need to buy games as well...

AmphetaMarinE
23.11.2005, 09:53
Maybe you guys will find this link interesting..... (http://forums.speedlabs.org/index.php?topic=628.0) (think... easily bypassing sonys rootkit drm method ;))

Hakira
23.11.2005, 10:11
Maybe you guys will find this link interesting..... (http://www.speedlabs.org/index.php?topic=628.0) (think... easily bypassing sonys rootkit drm method ;))
LOL. sticky tape... dont think Im going to try that in my drive but hey all the power to the people with this one...