Virus in daemon?

[LocutusofBorg]

well, as I close this thread here too, I will try to explain to you
WHY his post IS absolutely correct. I will also say something
about your post later:

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At one time WhenU had a very nasty reputation.
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FACT

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They've worked extremely hard to turn that reputation around, and have done so.
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FACT - nowadays it is known as adware and not as un-
removable and sneaking-in spyware. M$ and some companys
even plan to remove it from their riskware-databases according
to my informations.

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One, I'm a paying customer so I don't feel obligated to. And two, because I keep my system clean, and don't let just anything run in the background, even stuff I use all the time.
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FACT (SCNR) - seriously. We leave that decision to everyone
open, but especially customers have every right to not install
the adware, they already supported us.

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They clearly and distinctly make it known on the download page. You can easily choose not to install it during setup. And most importantly, it's easily uninstalled by simply using the Add/Remove Programs wizard in the Control Panel if you did install it (accidentally or otherwise).

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FACT

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The fact is, you're just ranting to get attention. You make no valid points, and the points you do attempt to make, you have no hard facts to back them up. There's a surefire way to make a point that sticks, and that's to make a point that's provable. Until then, you're just wasting bandwidth
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FACT??? - Well, lets see! Lets keep an eye to your posting to
determine by facts(!) what is valid and what not, ok?:

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I have never seen a trojan horse asking if i wanted to install it and the same thing goes for viruses and worms
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Then you have not seen alot of trojans or something similar. Alot of them are bundled to harmless programms which need
interaction from user so they at least get started before they can dig into system. This is first untrue fact.

Apart from that - a trojan is an application that, after installation, spy's the users system, serves as remote-controller and is - with usual ways - not uninstallable,
at least not for the user whoms system is affected by this threat.

A virus is a self-replicating computer-application, which mostly have some "payload", some destructive algorithm to
destroy/harm affected system. It usually can't be deinstalled
by any uninstaller.

Do I have to explain to you the term "worm"? I spare me some
time, use official documents to find the differences about
Adware and worms.

Now to the last point: Spyware/Adware. Is WhenU some kind
of adware? Sure! Is it also some kind of spyware? No. And guess
why? Well, I could again make alot of points here, but I
give you two links that you should read for yourself and
anyone else who is interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WhenU

and this here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware

Especially the WhenU-info is interesting, as it backs up OUR
points and reveal most of your points that you made in that
other thread as pure crap!

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"The fact is, you're just ranting to get attention. You make no valid points, and the points you do attempt to make, you have no hard facts to back them up."
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FACT? OK, above are the "obvious" points (Adware is uninstallable, it is not hided, user must confirm the installation
of that adware and you ADMITTED(!) you did NOT read the:

a) EULA
b) ADWARE-Installer
c) DOWNLOAD-NOTES

(!!!!! Seriously, if I were you, at this stage I would create a new
username and wouldnt use anymore the old account, simple
because I would feeled ashamed if someone can PROVE! that
the above is true (and it is! otherwise that adware would
never be installed. Also you admitted that you did NOT read
it - and you made really imho stupid excusements why you
did not. Keep in mind: In that txt there could be next time
also VERY important - even VITAL info of conflicts between DT and
other software! And you? You did not read it! Gosh!)

Ok, what did we learn now? Is the above said true? Yes!
It is - you are just ranting, as you (partially even admitted!)
have indeed no "valid points". And guess what? Thats what
everyone calls a "ranting without VALID(!) points. It is not
enough to just make a statement, a point. It has to be a
VALID one.

That's why I find jitos posting intelligent, he was able what I
unfortunatly was not capable of: he reduced the whole
discussion to 1-2 sentences. If only I had made it, how much
time could be safed. Really, I feel a bit sorry that I wasted
now 1 hour for this shit. To protect ourselfes from being
abused by such fruitless discussions:

I close this thread now, too. We made valid points - as you
yourself admitted - and see no usefull sense in further
discussion. If even the above said and the links to wikipedia
does not clearly show you that WhenU is not a threat -
sorry pal, but then nothing what we do or say will convince
you. Nothing. Period.

[Jito463]

I'm not going to get into this with you any further. I obviously did make points in my post (read the whole second paragraph), you just chose to ignore them. As you're the one making the claims, it's up to you to make your point. Since you didn't, I merely pointed out that you didn't make any valid points.

[unhappyuser]

At one time WhenU had a very nasty reputation. They've worked extremely hard to turn that reputation around, and have done so. Before you ask, I don't have WhenU installed on my computer for two reasons. One, I'm a paying customer so I don't feel obligated to. And two, because I keep my system clean, and don't let just anything run in the background, even stuff I use all the time.

However, having said that, the adware with DTools is the most unobnoxious you'll find. They clearly and distinctly make it known on the download page. You can easily choose not to install it during setup. And most importantly, it's easily uninstalled by simply using the Add/Remove Programs wizard in the Control Panel if you did install it (accidentally or otherwise). Something that can't be said about the vast majority of adware out there.

The fact is, you're just ranting to get attention. You make no valid points, and the points you do attempt to make, you have no hard facts to back them up. There's a surefire way to make a point that sticks, and that's to make a point that's provable. Until then, you're just wasting bandwidth.

Just telling something isn't true doensn't make an argument untrue.

"The fact is, you're just ranting to get attention. You make no valid points, and the points you do attempt to make, you have no hard facts to back them up."

Not only am i not ranting, but you can never prove what my intensions are so stating them as a fact is a lie or just plain stupid ( i would guess the second after reading your post). Then you argue i dont have hard fact while you are talking crap ?! Well, atleast you got a healthy sence of humor. Reread you own post, you are just stating the obvious and then you say my points are not vallid. I just dont see any logical reasoning in your post, not even a wrong one. Because you payed for it my points are wrong? Or is it because the addware is unobnoxious ?

If i would use your kind of reasoning i would say, the sky is blue, and you are a fool. Just because the first thing is true, doesn't say anything about the validity of the second point. I have no problems with someone correcting my arguments, and that borg guy did really make a strong case TWICE. I also don't understand why borg thinks your post is so good since i don't see even a SINGLE intelligent remark. Yes some things are true, they are even obvious and therefore useless to post. But you kinda forgot to post WHY my points are invallid which is the whole point. I disagree with borg but atleast he could give a strong case WHY he thinks the adware is okay. You just say its okay and that has to make the rest sound like intelligent. Obvious you got the support of the users on this board, so i don't really expect anyone to give a neutral analysis, but maybe you should look at your own post first before you accuse me .

[Elandril]

@Reef: You only have normal customer-license. You need to
sign in to "(X) -> Send me every week best-voted pron from DT-Backdoors"

You would make a fortune!

ROFL

[LocutusofBorg]

@Jito: couldn't wrote it any better - short, plain and TRUE!

@Reef: You only have normal customer-license. You need to
sign in to "(X) -> Send me every week best-voted pron from DT-Backdoors"

[Reef]

We already earned millions by collecting our users private porn-
archive, yes?

Why don't I have access to this archive?

[Jito463]

I have not have had any problems but i read a lot of others have SERIOUS problems. I would not want to earn money knowing the software that earned me the money is causing troubles for some and has no use what so ever (except the money earning).
You guys would earn more respect from me (and i think a lot of others) if you at least used a company with a better reputation like google. There is nothing wrong with earning money, but i think this is not the best way to proceed.
We probabely won't agree, but i still wish you succes on the further development, whatever you decide . And its not because of personal interest, since i dont seem to be needing it because of lack of time .

At one time WhenU had a very nasty reputation. They've worked extremely hard to turn that reputation around, and have done so. Before you ask, I don't have WhenU installed on my computer for two reasons. One, I'm a paying customer so I don't feel obligated to. And two, because I keep my system clean, and don't let just anything run in the background, even stuff I use all the time.

However, having said that, the adware with DTools is the most unobnoxious you'll find. They clearly and distinctly make it known on the download page. You can easily choose not to install it during setup. And most importantly, it's easily uninstalled by simply using the Add/Remove Programs wizard in the Control Panel if you did install it (accidentally or otherwise). Something that can't be said about the vast majority of adware out there.

The fact is, you're just ranting to get attention. You make no valid points, and the points you do attempt to make, you have no hard facts to back them up. There's a surefire way to make a point that sticks, and that's to make a point that's provable. Until then, you're just wasting bandwidth.

[LocutusofBorg]

you are for sure not the right man who can estimate how many
people have probs and how many not. You do not have stats
how much people USE our software, incl. WhenU and how many
of them run into trouble. You should know that without facts,
all is just an assumption. And thats what you make: assumptions -
and btw. even wrong conclusions, as it is only small minority
who runs into trouble.

And for sure we can decide on our own what we use, WhenU
or google. After all - lets face it: YOUR respect or the one
from ANYONE ELSE, even if its Mother Theresa or President
Mr. Bush, will NOT bring us something to eat. It will not pay
our costs. ATM, we (exactly: I) invested already 30 minutes
to explain this - imho - easy connections - to you.

And that was even easy discussion, only small discussion
about (imho) obvious things. Now maybe you want to think
about the fact that in our laboratory we think the whole
day about technical things, help our users here and this
leave no further time for other jobs.
I can only repeat myself: If your unhappy with DT and/or
our politic here, code a vdrive which is even better then
DT yourself and offer it for free, support it for free and if
you accomplished THAT mission for more than 7! years,
come back and show us how you made it and we will gladly
learn from you how to design software and how to publish!
But it would also not harm whenu after that time have
still an appartment and a car and not live on the streets
or in the next forest We do not need to become millionaires
but it would not be bad if we still look like humans and not
like some bum's

[unhappyuser]

I have not have had any problems but i read a lot of others have SERIOUS problems. I would not want to earn money knowing the software that earned me the money is causing troubles for some and has no use what so ever (except the money earning).

You guys would earn more respect from me (and i think a lot of others) if you at least used a company with a better reputation like google. There is nothing wrong with earning money, but i think this is not the best way to proceed.

We probabely won't agree, but i still wish you succes on the further development, whatever you decide . And its not because of personal interest, since i dont seem to be needing it because of lack of time .

[LocutusofBorg]

@unhappyuser:

But according to your statements and your username (SCNR) -
we dont produce good software.

In your eyes, we are betrayers and badasses who only try to
infect other people with the UBER-virus WhenU.

Yes, sure, WhenU - product in DT is known for shutting down
MILLIONS of systems, right?

We already earned millions by collecting our users private porn-
archive, yes? We look into every aspect of life of our 21 million
users, isnt it so?

No! It is NOT! It is ADWARE goddamn. We can discuss about
the methods that some adware write itself in users system
to be undetected AND/OR can not be removed. But: This
is for sure NOT true for our adware-component, and we can
prove that!

All YOU proved now is that you lack every discipline to follow
our rules. And yes, to READ our EULA and our download-
instructions is PART OF THE "MUST BE!" when you use our
software. In fact, you violated our rules - why not see
it from that point of view?

I'm curious of your list of damaged systems. Tell me:
How many systems are infected and could not remove
DT-WhenU? How many got their HDD formatted? How many
spy-attacks to your system? How many personal documents
lost? How many shells opened on your system which can
remotely steer your PC? How many times did WhenU completey
dissapeared from your system and hided itself?

[unhappyuser]

It is Fact nowadays and Common Sense, especially with all the viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware floating around on the net, to Read up on what you are installing, and research it a bit, and avoid blindly installing anything.

I have never seen a trojan horse asking if i wanted to install it and the same thing goes for viruses and worms. People don't expect bad things to be included in "good" software so they don't read it. But i think you have a good point comparing the software with "viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware"

[Xtreme2damax]

I read enough, and do enough research to understand what I am and am not Installing, and also disable the install of these things if I don't want them installed (If Possible).

I have never accidentally installed the Adware, that came with daemon-tools, Why? Because I do enough research, beforehand to know to uncheck the checkbox before install.

For goodness sake, D-Tools Has an entire section devoted to the searchbar, and it even says on the Download Page that it is "Optional", and you only have to install if you want to support Daemon-Tools.

As for Including Installing the Adware afte the Install of D-Tools, that won't help either, And we would still have post's complaining about the "Optional" Adware in D-Tools.

With some People, You can stick a gold plated Slate, with Bright Lettering in front of them saying, "Don't Install This!" "This is Optional, you don't have to install" "Don't Do This, Don't Do that", and it won't matter because they'll end up installing it anyways, and come to the forum and complain with a blatently offensive or insulting post such as, "omg!!! you F**** jerks ruined my system", when in fact it was thier fault for not reading up on what they are installing, and how to avoid the installation of such stuff.

It is Fact nowadays and Common Sense, especially with all the viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware floating around on the net, to Read up on what you are installing, and research it a bit, and avoid blindly installing anything.

That way you can be sure to avoid any programs that may be infected, or any programs that can be potentially dangerous to your system.

It also helps to read up in this case, to find out how to disable the installation of such components beforehand, Such as the "Optional" Adware in Daemon-Tools.

If someone can't do this, chances are they already are or will be infected with tons of malware.

Although it might be better if Daemon-Tools Included a "Donate" Option for the free version, and if a certain quota is not met before release, or in a month, the New D-Tools Releases will be delayed, or there won't be a release until the quota is met.

I think this was mentioned before, but I don't think it was ever considered.

[BadIronTree]

Not to mention, all it takes is to uncheck one simple checkbox, to entirely avoid the adware installation, and Voila No adware installed, You can even run adaware to be sure.

I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand, and then they come here complaining that Daemon-Tools ruined thier System, when in fact it was thier fault they didn't read the eula, and just clicked through the installer.

Even the Simplest of Minds should know, that any searchbar is adware, and is mostly used to fund development of software, from willing users, who don't have the money or resources to buy the Software (D-Tools Pro for Example). If you don't want it Installed, Uncheck the Checkbox before Installation, and if you miss the Checkbox, you can always cancel at the EULA, and even if you happen to miss that, you can uninstall it from the control panel.

The searchbar is not Malicious, it's tagged as adware, because thats what it is, it displays Ad's an contextual links on the users computers, to fund development of the Free Version, and the End user has the Choice to Install it or not.

I'm not complaining, I just uncheck that checkbox before Install, and I'm good to go. I Myself would Install the searchbar to support development, but right now I'm on a slow 56k dial-up connection, and am afraid if I installed it, it would bog down my already slow connection speed even further.


Also Daemon-Tools has been the most upfront and honest about the Optional Adware, and have an entire section devoted to it incase anyone has problems. And the great thing is, they Actually give you the option whether to install it or not, unlike some software that installs it unknowingly without the users consent.

C'mon peeps, this isn't rocket science, quite simple to understand, if you don't want to install the Adware, You don't have to.

wrone!

you sould put the adware as an option to install after the DT is installed!!!
like the google bar or the yahoo bar or even xfire!!! that is in of some products....

after the instalation is complite the instaler of the adware sould pop up and ask you if you want it to support the DT development....


like it is now is to make people install it by actident....
= more profit...

and dont tell me you read ALL the text in the installers...

[Xtreme2damax]

Not to mention, all it takes is to uncheck one simple checkbox, to entirely avoid the adware installation, and Voila No adware installed, You can even run adaware to be sure.

I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand, and then they come here complaining that Daemon-Tools ruined thier System, when in fact it was thier fault they didn't read the eula, and just clicked through the installer.

Even the Simplest of Minds should know, that any searchbar is adware, and is mostly used to fund development of software, from willing users, who don't have the money or resources to buy the Software (D-Tools Pro for Example). If you don't want it Installed, Uncheck the Checkbox before Installation, and if you miss the Checkbox, you can always cancel at the EULA, and even if you happen to miss that, you can uninstall it from the control panel.

The searchbar is not Malicious, it's tagged as adware, because thats what it is, it displays Ad's an contextual links on the users computers, to fund development of the Free Version, and the End user has the Choice to Install it or not.

I'm not complaining, I just uncheck that checkbox before Install, and I'm good to go. I Myself would Install the searchbar to support development, but right now I'm on a slow 56k dial-up connection, and am afraid if I installed it, it would bog down my already slow connection speed even further.


Also Daemon-Tools has been the most upfront and honest about the Optional Adware, and have an entire section devoted to it incase anyone has problems. And the great thing is, they Actually give you the option whether to install it or not, unlike some software that installs it unknowingly without the users consent.

C'mon peeps, this isn't rocket science, quite simple to understand, if you don't want to install the Adware, You don't have to.

[Jito463]

For additional funds to support further development of this software. Isn't that usually the reason for inclusion of adware?