problem with Starforce v3.3

[Terramex]

I have one drive connected as secondary master IDE - SONY DVD RW AW-G170A

Then you can try the following:
- Mount image
- Sc.Master Off in SFNightmare
- Play
- Sc.Master On in SFNightmare

I've tried using sfcure as well without success.

SFCure does not enable/disable drives. It was needed for DT 3.47 to bybass SF file blocking. Got obsolet with release of DT 4.

[ß]

Starforce 3 on cd remains undefeated as far as I can tell since late 2002!

keep talking crap.

i asked you to send me the last part of the alcohol log and you said you would remake it. i waited and watched you post in dozens of posts on the board after that. (so you weren't too busy) you also sent back the email receipts so i saw you read both mails i sent. still nothing. i said i was getting suspicious and you said talk here. so i am. a day+ has passed and still no log. and you never told me if either of the mds's you made worked. you alluded to the fact that it doesn't matter now since the mini image you downloaded does the job. (I got hold of the mini image which did work)
i did look at your 2 x mds's you sent and like i told you the small one, i can not even mount (yet you say it works) and the larger one does not work, correct, and i told you to use normal dpm for starforce, not high. and why do i find it suspicious ? because we talked on email and responses were swift. within minutes. i asked you to do a quick test which requires the original disc then silence. i"ll do it later, you said. after that several posts on dt board. then a day passes and nothing.

every starforce game from version 1.xx to 4.70 works using dt 4.09 with no rom drives. (and perhaps even starforce v5, but i have no title with that version yet, so can not test.) if it doesn't it's a bad image.

[professorx]

@B
So you think that physically disconnecting optical drives is genuinely defeating starforce; well I guess it's just as well your not a DT beat tester then!

Silence means that I'm not completely sad e.g. sleeping, eating, working - some things you may not be too familiar with.

I don't even care if YOU don't have the original Gangland cd yourself that's your business, but don't go around spreading bullshit about people u don't know or have any genuine reason to suspect.

I don't have to prove that I have 20+ original titles with starforce protection (from War & Peace to Flatout 2) to u or anyone.

[Jito463]

Disconnecting the physical drives allows DTools to avoid the generic SCSI blacklist. In other words, if any physical IDE optical drives are connected to the system, the copy protection will not allow you to play with an original or an image from any SCSI drive. If you don't have any IDE optical drives (e.g. you use USB drives like me or you unplug them), then the copy protection allows the use of SCSI drives as an alternative. So yes, unplugging the physical drives to play from an image is beating the copy protection.

[professorx]

Funny, I thought this forum was about DT?
If DT could unplug the drive for me then yes, DT has defeated the protection, otherwise it's just a workaround.

@B
Normal DPM did make a big difference. I hadn't realised the A120 fixed setting starforce profile.

[professorx]

@mods - forget about my earlier request to move this thread back

[Jito463]

You don't seem to grasp what we're saying.

Let's say you have an actual SCSI-based optical drive in your system that you wanted to play your SF3 protected game from using the original disc. As long as you have any IDE optical drives in your system, the copy protection will not permit that. Unplugging your IDE drives is the only way it will allow you to use the original disc from the SCSI drive.

It's the same concept behind unplugging them so that you can play from a backup in DTools. It has nothing to do with how good DTools is at avoiding blacklists at that point. They use a blanket blacklist against any SCSI device. The only way to get around it is to eliminate your IDE drives.

Is it a perfect solution? Absolutely not. But it is the only solution, for real or virtual SCSI drives.