Race07

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can anyone extract dpm from race07 dvd ?
v...0220 fails with all speeds on my asus

[Terramex]

Here you can find DPM files of the german version. It might work for your version as well if you transfer the DPM info of the BWA into your own MDS file with the tool .

Has your Asus managed to perform any DPM at all, yet ?
Which model do you have ?

[Terramex]

Oops, forgot something.

... into your own MDS file with the tool Injector.

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i'm not interested in "injecting" and getting a good mds from somewhere... i want dt pro (alcohol fails too) to make a good race07 image for me using my own stuff. the drive is a sata drw-1814blt (1.13) that can make perfect securom mds's of many many many games. here are some of them:

Blacksite
Crysis
Empire Earth III
F.E.A.R. - Perseus Mandate
Sam & Max - Season One
Hellgate: London
NBA LIVE 08
FIFA 08
BioShock

etc.......

[Terramex]

Does DPM start at all ?
Do your other drives fail as well ?

P.S.:
[offtopic]What about your Settlers issue ? No comment, yet ?[/offtopic]

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yes on all drives
yes they do

not yet, i'm a month behind schedule....

[Terramex]

Have you checked with one of those titles you measured successfully before whether it's a general DPM problem at the moment ? e.g. some Starforce driver versions interfere with DPM. Have you installed some SF title lately ?

Or is only Race 07 problematic ? Maybe a faulty DVD

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please listen, as you are on the "team" you should know this by now!! starforce drivers do not interfere with image creation - they never have!!

i stated before many times, that i use a "clean" system to create images. no games of any kind installed on that setup, ever; therefore no starforce/securom/safedisc/tages et al drivers. nothing running on the taskbar except the clock.

i can remake any other securom dvd-5/dvd-9 game that i already made just fine, so it's not something that may have just happened somehow in the meantime.

i tried latest alcohol. with the asus drive, i tried all dpm speeds from max to 1x and in between... all fail, let me elaborate - they fail in the way that it can not extract the second layer, i should say. so it does finish the image but with the second layer mds part not extracted.


it's not the only game: so far i have personally only had 3 securom dvd discs fail on me using alcohol and out of those 2 on dt pro. thay are dark messiah, supreme commander and race07. dark messiah and race 07 fails on latest dt pro (i have not tried every speed combination but most)

both development teams have admitted issues with dark messiah extraction, before. so it is/was a known issue. (just like with settlers 6)

i tried dt pro - same thing
following are just some of the options and drives i tried with dt pro:


[17/01/2008 12:50:59 PM] Added virtual device [2:0] (I.
[17/01/2008 4:52:05 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [1:1] (H ASUS DRW-1814BLT 1.13.
[17/01/2008 4:52:05 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 4:52:05 PM] DPM started: speed - maximum, precision - high
[17/01/2008 5:07:01 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 5:07:01 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 5:14:08 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [1:1] (H ASUS DRW-1814BLT 1.13.
[17/01/2008 5:14:08 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 5:14:08 PM] DPM started: speed - 4X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 5:16:16 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 5:16:25 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 5:27:07 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [1:1] (H ASUS DRW-1814BLT 1.13.
[17/01/2008 5:27:07 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 5:27:07 PM] DPM started: speed - 4X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 5:41:45 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 5:41:45 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 5:56:33 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [1:1] (H ASUS DRW-1814BLT 1.13.
[17/01/2008 5:56:33 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 5:56:33 PM] DPM started: speed - 4X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 6:11:01 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 6:11:01 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 8:28:56 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [0:1] (J LITE-ON DVDRW LH-18A1P GL0H.
[17/01/2008 8:28:56 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 8:28:56 PM] DPM started: speed - 8X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 8:35:35 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 8:35:35 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 8:36:33 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [0:0] (K HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B DL13.
[17/01/2008 8:36:33 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 8:36:33 PM] DPM started: speed - 5X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 8:47:08 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 8:47:08 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 8:48:36 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [0:0] (K HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B DL13.
[17/01/2008 8:48:36 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 8:48:36 PM] DPM started: speed - 12X, precision - high
[17/01/2008 8:55:33 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 8:55:33 PM] Disc imaging failed!
[17/01/2008 8:56:03 PM] Started disc imaging for drive [0:0] (K HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B DL13.
[17/01/2008 8:56:03 PM] Media information:: DVD-ROM, Sectors: 2789984, Label:'RACE07'
[17/01/2008 8:56:04 PM] DPM started: speed - maximum, precision - high
[17/01/2008 9:03:21 PM] DPM associated call failed
[17/01/2008 9:03:21 PM] Disc imaging failed!


ps: after each failure i restarted the system to "cleanse" it.

[Reef]

Actually there is no need for DPM from the second layer. I mainly use Blindwrite's BWA Builder to get DPM from SecuROM protected discs. I just let it extract the first 150.000 sectors and then I quit the process and save the BWA file.
Then I run Alcohol or DT Pro and create an image without DPM. After that is finished I use the injector to inject the BWA file into de .mds from the image. Works great and it's a lot quicker than extracting the full DPM. Why wait for a full DPM extract when SecuROM only needs the first 150.000 sectors?

I think it would be nice to have an option in DT Pro to set the amount of sectors needed for DPM extraction. Gonna put this in the suggestions forum too

[Terramex]

starforce drivers do not interfere with image creation - they never have!!

I've finally understood you can't reproduce something like this with such a clean system, so let me assure you this is no 'rumor spreading'. I don't say it's intended, but some SF versions can interfere with DPM.
Otherwise it must have been a frequent coincidence that after removing SF drivers people were able to perform DPM again.

i tried latest alcohol. with the asus drive, i tried all dpm speeds from max to 1x and in between... all fail, let me elaborate - they fail in the way that it can not extract the second layer, i should say. so it does finish the image but with the second layer mds part not extracted.

Irrespective of your real issue: you can use such an "halfmeasured" Alc image as DPM info of second layer isn't needed.

EDIT: @Reef, i'm too slow

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dear sirs,

please be advised that you seem to misinterpret my intentions. i am not trying to find a way to play the games using ad hoc methods. my intentions are to make "perfect" images. nothing more, nothing less.

i can start my car using the keys, and that's my preferred method. i suppose i could also hotwire it and it would produce the same result, albeit not as elegant.

[Terramex]

please be advised that you seem to misinterpret my intentions

We understand your legitimate concern (i wrote: Irrespective of your real issue) and i'm
sure the team will look into it ASAP.
So in the meantime we give advice how to use a copy anyhow - no bad in my opinion.

IMHO an image with first layer DPM only is as imperfect as your favorite TV Series without
commercials - but that's in the eye of the beholder

[Terramex]

Just tested with a friends' RACE 07 DVD

Toshiba 1712, Lite-On LH20A1P and LG GSA H62N fail at 75% if not earlier
LG 4163B: DPM doesn't start at all

Maybe related to the big disproportionateness of the sectors/layer (74,72/25,28%)

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i know this:

dt pro has problems extracting dpm data from dark messiah and race07 using all my drives (lg, asus & liteon)

alcohol has problems extracting dpm data from dark messiah, supreme commander and race07 using all my drives (lg, asus & liteon) supreme commander did finish using only one particular speed with my pioneer 111d but it took the last 31% over 5 hours. this has happened to other users too.

there is a confirmed issue with these games/discs and many, many drives.

ps: it is a dt/alc issue since as an example virtual drive 11 can make the images just fine.

[Terramex]

it is a dt/alc issue since as an example virtual drive 11 can make the images just fine.

I've just tested Virtual Drive 11.5 trial.
When using Securom DVD profile "only" the first 250000 sectors are analyzed/measured, so consequentially it doesn't fail.

Using Starforce DVD profile just to test whether whole disc can be analyzed/measured does result in
'Analyzing disc data error' message.