Does ROSETTA Stone beat Daemon Tools ?

[Jito463]

I wouldn't advise that, kevindosi. If you send it to the wrong person, you may never get your disc back.

[kevindosi]

anyone in a good mood?

ok ive read through all of these instructions but am still in a bit of a pickle. i'm on a mac, so i can't use safedisc. i just bought the farsi rosetta stone for the second time, because the first copy got a scratch big enough to ruin it. the software is so expensive, so i want to make a physical copy of the disc just in case. i don't have one of the burners that will allow exact copies of safedisc cds. i was wondering if anyone is in the holiday spirit and is willing to do me a huge favor... maybe this is a bit of a strange request.. but would anyone be willing to let me mail them this cd so they can make me a copy, and mail them back? i'd be happy to pay for the shipping and a little extra . i'd be forever greatful, i really need it. just message me if you're willing.. thanks a lot!

[Blazkowicz]

If it's possible to get it to work without it, I'd like to know what you people have tried/done to get it to work.

Disable your drives in device manager or in bios (in bios does always work)

[GWolfman]

SD4Hide v1.1 necessary?

*bump*

Is sd4hide.exe ( sd4hide version 1.1 ) necessary to get Rosetta Stone working with DT4.06? I tried but can only get it to work with it. If it's possible to get it to work without it, I'd like to know what you people have tried/done to get it to work. Thanks!

[realbuz]

quoting: Perhaps I should reverse the question and ask "If I have Daemon-Tools what do I need Alcohol or CloneCD for"?

Daemon-Tools will allow you to use almost any already made cd/dvd image. What it doesn't allow you to do compared to Alcohol is to actually make the image from your original protected cd/dvd. I personally use daemon as my virtual cd drive and use alcohol only when I want to image or burn something.

Hope this help.

Regards

[neptun]

I will try to explain you.When you make an image of a copy protected game in most cases it is not possible to just burn the image on blank cd or dvd and play from it because there are some things ( like disk topology or bad sectors or twin sectors it depends from the protection) which you can read with your optical device but can not burn them back to the blank cd or dvd.Here comes the virtual drives like daemon tools or the virtual device of alcohol 120%.Because of the fact that they just read the image file from the harddisk and supplying the sectors from it needed by the application reading from the virtual drive they can reproduce this special things which you can not burn.The alcohol 120% and daemon tools virtual drives are the same.No matter which one you will use.But i prefer daemon tools + awxdtools because i get the same functionality for free and also daemon tools is updated more frequently.But you need alcohol 120% or blindwrite to create your images.

[biyahero]

And you are customer of Alcohol120%, yes? Because if not, then
you have the answer to your question, apart from the fact that the Alcohol-drives ARE the DT-drives from a technical point of view.

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Here's the home of the emulator-freaks while at CDFreaks you find alot enthusiastic people with big knowledge how to create (if possible) 1:1 backups

Well thank you for your response. I understand now that mounting it in either Alcohol 120% or Daemon-Tools does the same thing, but you have to pay for Alcohol and Daemon-Tools is freeware.

If it sounded like I was diaparaging Daemon-Tools in any way by saying "why do I even need Daemon Tools? Alcohol 120% seems to run the image just fine.", I didn't mean it to sound that way at all. I am not exactly a customer of Alcohol yet... I was just using the trial version and I am just trying to figure out how this stuff works. I am coming from a background of using only Roxio EZCD Creator, and so this is a whole new world for me.

I am kind of confused by now I see the term "emulator" used here. I know that "emulation" is to imitate or simulate something. Do you mean simply that you are imitating or simulating having a CD Drive by mounting the "Virtual Drives" that CloneCD and Alcohol create, or in a larger sense exactly what are we concerned or dealing with as "emulator-freaks" in this forum and as users of Daemon-Tools?

Perhaps I should reverse the question and ask "If I have Daemon-Tools what do I need Alcohol or CloneCD for"? I guess the answer to that question that comes to mind with my current level of ignorance of this topic is that I need these programs to create the actual images and to created the Virtual Drives?

Thank you very much for your patience and information!

[biyahero]

You can't make 1/1 copy of safedisk protected cd because it is very hard to reproduce correctly the bad sectors used to identify the disk as original and there is a small amount of writers which can do that.Look this article for more information - http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=50778

Thanks for pointing out that very informative and detailed post. In another forum, they mention they mention that to create a working copy of a SafeDisk protected CD you need a burner that can correctly do "EFM encoding", and provide a list of such burners. My Plextor PX-716SA (Serial ATA) is on that list, while not being on the list you mention above. My second drive the Plextor PX-716A (Standard IDE model of the same drive) for some reason is not on the list... whether because nobody tested it and reported that it worked or because it really can't, I don't know.

I'll post the link to the other list of burners once I find it again.

Anyway, I did produce a working copy of Rosetta Stone Language CD... twice just to make sure it really worked... using CloneCD and this procedure somebody posted.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=140075

Why does it work? I don't know... even CloneCD tech support replied that their program can't copy this CD, but I did it ... twice... prior to receiving their message that it couldn't.

It does not work if you choose the option to create an image first and then choose the option to burn from that image, but it does work if you choose "Copy CD" and use the "Copy Protected Game" profile as described in the link above.

However, if even you choose to "Copy CD" and then choose to *not* erase the image file (which this process creates as an intermediate step in copying the CD) after the completion of the copying operation, and then you try to burn a CD from that image file using Alcohol 120% the CD won't work, but the CD you created during the "Copy CD" process will work. I can't remember if I tried using CloneCD to create a second CD using the same image file that was created as an intermediate step in it's "Copy CD" process or not, but it definately does not work to use the CloneCD options "Read to Image" and then "Write from Image".

[Underheaven]

pointing to thread 3 sheep burners ?? #185660 at cdfreaks

Check out this thread for 2 burners that supposedly can make non-emulation required backups:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.php?p=1487344&postcount=11

p.s. you should reply with questions about that thread on that site too

[LocutusofBorg]

I can mount the resulting image in Daemon Tools (as was suggested also) and run it OK. However, I seem to be able to mount it in Alcohol 120% and run it also equally well, so my first question is why do I even need Daemon Tools? Alcohol 120% seems to run the image just fine.

And you are customer of Alcohol120%, yes? Because if not, then
you have the answer to your question, apart from the fact that
the Alcohol-drives ARE the DT-drives from a technical point
of view.

What concerns your requests, I suggest to visit CD-Freaks-Forum,
that is best adress to discuss such kind of probs.
Here's the home of the emulator-freaks while at CDFreaks
you find alot enthusiastic people with big knowledge how
to create (if possible) 1:1 backups

[CongoMan]

i was accidently reading through all this about true backup copies and stuff so i'd like to give my opinion about that.

when it comes to burning, i would always prefer to burn the image file itself. even if it is possible to create a running backup, who can say if you can get another copy of that copy later on?

with the working image stored away you can always make another working copy as the data doesn't have to be read out of the cd again.

EDIT:
i understand you want to stay independent from daemon tools, but that's something i do not really understand. when setting up a new machine, dt is one of the first things to install for me. once you start using images more frequently it becomes indispensable to have it installed. the nice side-effects like emulation for non-perfect (physical) copies makes it even more attractive and it is so small you can almost always burn it together with the imgae onto a cd.

sorry for advertising that much for dt, but ... it's the dt forum here, so what.
got my point?

[neptun]

You can't make 1/1 copy of safedisk protected cd because it is very hard to reproduce correctly the bad sectors used to identify the disk as original and there is a small amount of writers which can do that.Look this article for more information - http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=50778

[biyahero]

Insert Correct Disk Message

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1. make a mds/mdf format copy with alcohol 120% using the safedisk 2/3 option
2. mounted the image using daemon tools, making sure emulation options were off
3. tried using sd4hide before attempting to run the application

[...] Snip [...] it still says that I don't have the correct disk in the drive and the application closes.

Well I created the image using Alcohol 120% "Image Making Wizard" choosing the mds/mdf-format using the "SafeDisk 2/3" profile as suggested.

I can mount the resulting image in Daemon Tools (as was suggested also) and run it OK. However, I seem to be able to mount it in Alcohol 120% and run it also equally well, so my first question is why do I even need Daemon Tools? Alcohol 120% seems to run the image just fine.

Secondly, while it is great and faster to run the program using the image mounted from within Alcohol 120% (or Daemon-Tools) as a Virtual CD, my original purpose remains to make a physical backup copy of this CD which will function.

Yet when I use the Alcohol 120% "Image Burning Wizard" to burn a CD from the same image that runs OK as a virtual CD, when I try to run the program using the physical CD I have created, either the program hangs at the opening screen, or sometimes it gives me an error message saying that I should insert the correct CD and restart the program.

Now when I first bought the Rosetta Stone program, I also got this error message with the original CD that the program could not find the Language CD and to insert the correct CD and restart the program.

Rosetta Stone technical support had told me that this error message was caused by some incompatibility with Windows XP, and to solve the problem I should go to the Properties of the installed program, the Compatibility Tab, and check the box for "Run in Compatibility Mode for" and choose "Windows NT (Service Pack 5)", and it would cure the problem.... in fact it did cure the problem.

Now however when running the program and using the physical CD I created with the Alcohol 120% "Image Burning Wizard" from the image I made using the Alcohol 120% "Image Making Wizard", I once again am getting this message about inserting the correct CD, or the computer hanging.

Is there another write option other than the default one I used "RAW DAO" within the Alcohol 120% "Image Burning Wizard" which I could choose to create this physical CD which would allow it to function properly once created? Or something else I could do that I am not doing?

[StormKnight]

Me stupid.

Well probably anyway.. Its been many years since I have messed with Alcohol 120% etc. and back then the ability to burn with it was.. well I want to say you couldn't do the normal kind of burn operations but you probably could burn images.. anyhow.. thats the mindset I was operating under when I asked my question above.

For now right me off as stupid while I get Alcohol 120% and do the safedisc2/3 image dump and then I am going to burn it with Alcohol 120% and see how that backup of the original works.

Thank you please drive through.

- Knight

[LocutusofBorg]

No problem, it was just to "lead you in the right direction".
We currently think about a popup or something else that
will notify the user of the above restrictions. Seems most
users didn't see/find our announcement, which is indeed
hard to find, it is just too small and no eye-catcher

However, we work on a better solution, meanwhile we simple
inform our users "manually"