Virus in daemon?

[Goku]

Great, symantec says that there is a virus, when installing

Scan type: Auto-Protect Scan
Event: Threat Found!
Threat: Adware.Savenow
File: C:\Program Files (x86)\DAEMON Tools\SetupDTSB.exe
Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\DAEMON Tools
Computer: Goku
User: Goku
Action taken: Pending Side Effects Analysis
Date found: zondag 5 februari 2006 14:44:31

what now?

[Copytrooper]

It's NOT a virus, it's adware.
If you don't want it, just disable Daemon Tools Search Bar installation checkbox in installation dialog.
We've also an own forum for this, so I moved your thread here.

[SCVirus]

Scan type: Auto-Protect Scan
Event: Threat Found!
Threat: Adware.Savenow
File: C:\Program Files (x86)\DAEMON Tools\SetupDTSB.exe
Location: C:\Program Files (x86)\DAEMON Tools
Computer: Goku
User: Goku
Action taken: Pending Side Effects Analysis
Date found: zondag 5 februari 2006 14:44:31

[Mario64]

deleted: riskware not-a-virus:AdTool.Win32.WhenU.a
File: C:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools\SetupDTSB.exe

[LocutusofBorg]

May I cite your OWN POSTING???

riskware not-a-virus:AdTool.Win32.WhenU.a
File: C:\Program Files\DAEMON Tools\SetupDTSB.exe

It is not a virus, it is adware and you are entitled to not even
install it

[Holst]

May I cite your OWN POSTING???


It is not a virus, it is adware and you are entitled to not even
install it

LocutusofBorg, I think the real question and issue here is why is there adware in this software?

I understand any right reserved to advertise but there is no need to do this using adware.

That is the point being made.

[grenz]

Come on.

LocutusofBorg, I think the real question and issue here is why is there adware in this software?

I understand any right reserved to advertise but there is no need to do this using adware.

That is the point being made.

There is no adware in the product. the installer however gives the possibility to install the Searchbar to support the DT team.

If you don't wan't to give your support then just untick the searchbar. It is not DT's fault that people do not read the installment steps in the installer.

[Jito463]

For additional funds to support further development of this software. Isn't that usually the reason for inclusion of adware?

[Xtreme2damax]

Not to mention, all it takes is to uncheck one simple checkbox, to entirely avoid the adware installation, and Voila No adware installed, You can even run adaware to be sure.

I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand, and then they come here complaining that Daemon-Tools ruined thier System, when in fact it was thier fault they didn't read the eula, and just clicked through the installer.

Even the Simplest of Minds should know, that any searchbar is adware, and is mostly used to fund development of software, from willing users, who don't have the money or resources to buy the Software (D-Tools Pro for Example). If you don't want it Installed, Uncheck the Checkbox before Installation, and if you miss the Checkbox, you can always cancel at the EULA, and even if you happen to miss that, you can uninstall it from the control panel.

The searchbar is not Malicious, it's tagged as adware, because thats what it is, it displays Ad's an contextual links on the users computers, to fund development of the Free Version, and the End user has the Choice to Install it or not.

I'm not complaining, I just uncheck that checkbox before Install, and I'm good to go. I Myself would Install the searchbar to support development, but right now I'm on a slow 56k dial-up connection, and am afraid if I installed it, it would bog down my already slow connection speed even further.


Also Daemon-Tools has been the most upfront and honest about the Optional Adware, and have an entire section devoted to it incase anyone has problems. And the great thing is, they Actually give you the option whether to install it or not, unlike some software that installs it unknowingly without the users consent.

C'mon peeps, this isn't rocket science, quite simple to understand, if you don't want to install the Adware, You don't have to.

[BadIronTree]

Not to mention, all it takes is to uncheck one simple checkbox, to entirely avoid the adware installation, and Voila No adware installed, You can even run adaware to be sure.

I just don't understand why this is such a hard concept for people to understand, and then they come here complaining that Daemon-Tools ruined thier System, when in fact it was thier fault they didn't read the eula, and just clicked through the installer.

Even the Simplest of Minds should know, that any searchbar is adware, and is mostly used to fund development of software, from willing users, who don't have the money or resources to buy the Software (D-Tools Pro for Example). If you don't want it Installed, Uncheck the Checkbox before Installation, and if you miss the Checkbox, you can always cancel at the EULA, and even if you happen to miss that, you can uninstall it from the control panel.

The searchbar is not Malicious, it's tagged as adware, because thats what it is, it displays Ad's an contextual links on the users computers, to fund development of the Free Version, and the End user has the Choice to Install it or not.

I'm not complaining, I just uncheck that checkbox before Install, and I'm good to go. I Myself would Install the searchbar to support development, but right now I'm on a slow 56k dial-up connection, and am afraid if I installed it, it would bog down my already slow connection speed even further.


Also Daemon-Tools has been the most upfront and honest about the Optional Adware, and have an entire section devoted to it incase anyone has problems. And the great thing is, they Actually give you the option whether to install it or not, unlike some software that installs it unknowingly without the users consent.

C'mon peeps, this isn't rocket science, quite simple to understand, if you don't want to install the Adware, You don't have to.

wrone!

you sould put the adware as an option to install after the DT is installed!!!
like the google bar or the yahoo bar or even xfire!!! that is in of some products....

after the instalation is complite the instaler of the adware sould pop up and ask you if you want it to support the DT development....


like it is now is to make people install it by actident....
= more profit...

and dont tell me you read ALL the text in the installers...

[Xtreme2damax]

I read enough, and do enough research to understand what I am and am not Installing, and also disable the install of these things if I don't want them installed (If Possible).

I have never accidentally installed the Adware, that came with daemon-tools, Why? Because I do enough research, beforehand to know to uncheck the checkbox before install.

For goodness sake, D-Tools Has an entire section devoted to the searchbar, and it even says on the Download Page that it is "Optional", and you only have to install if you want to support Daemon-Tools.

As for Including Installing the Adware afte the Install of D-Tools, that won't help either, And we would still have post's complaining about the "Optional" Adware in D-Tools.

With some People, You can stick a gold plated Slate, with Bright Lettering in front of them saying, "Don't Install This!" "This is Optional, you don't have to install" "Don't Do This, Don't Do that", and it won't matter because they'll end up installing it anyways, and come to the forum and complain with a blatently offensive or insulting post such as, "omg!!! you F**** jerks ruined my system", when in fact it was thier fault for not reading up on what they are installing, and how to avoid the installation of such stuff.

It is Fact nowadays and Common Sense, especially with all the viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware floating around on the net, to Read up on what you are installing, and research it a bit, and avoid blindly installing anything.

That way you can be sure to avoid any programs that may be infected, or any programs that can be potentially dangerous to your system.

It also helps to read up in this case, to find out how to disable the installation of such components beforehand, Such as the "Optional" Adware in Daemon-Tools.

If someone can't do this, chances are they already are or will be infected with tons of malware.

Although it might be better if Daemon-Tools Included a "Donate" Option for the free version, and if a certain quota is not met before release, or in a month, the New D-Tools Releases will be delayed, or there won't be a release until the quota is met.

I think this was mentioned before, but I don't think it was ever considered.

[unhappyuser]

It is Fact nowadays and Common Sense, especially with all the viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware floating around on the net, to Read up on what you are installing, and research it a bit, and avoid blindly installing anything.

I have never seen a trojan horse asking if i wanted to install it and the same thing goes for viruses and worms. People don't expect bad things to be included in "good" software so they don't read it. But i think you have a good point comparing the software with "viruses, Malware, Trojans, worms, Spyware/Adware"

[LocutusofBorg]

@unhappyuser:

But according to your statements and your username (SCNR) -
we dont produce good software.

In your eyes, we are betrayers and badasses who only try to
infect other people with the UBER-virus WhenU.

Yes, sure, WhenU - product in DT is known for shutting down
MILLIONS of systems, right?

We already earned millions by collecting our users private porn-
archive, yes? We look into every aspect of life of our 21 million
users, isnt it so?

No! It is NOT! It is ADWARE goddamn. We can discuss about
the methods that some adware write itself in users system
to be undetected AND/OR can not be removed. But: This
is for sure NOT true for our adware-component, and we can
prove that!

All YOU proved now is that you lack every discipline to follow
our rules. And yes, to READ our EULA and our download-
instructions is PART OF THE "MUST BE!" when you use our
software. In fact, you violated our rules - why not see
it from that point of view?

I'm curious of your list of damaged systems. Tell me:
How many systems are infected and could not remove
DT-WhenU? How many got their HDD formatted? How many
spy-attacks to your system? How many personal documents
lost? How many shells opened on your system which can
remotely steer your PC? How many times did WhenU completey
dissapeared from your system and hided itself?

[unhappyuser]

I have not have had any problems but i read a lot of others have SERIOUS problems. I would not want to earn money knowing the software that earned me the money is causing troubles for some and has no use what so ever (except the money earning).

You guys would earn more respect from me (and i think a lot of others) if you at least used a company with a better reputation like google. There is nothing wrong with earning money, but i think this is not the best way to proceed.

We probabely won't agree, but i still wish you succes on the further development, whatever you decide . And its not because of personal interest, since i dont seem to be needing it because of lack of time .

[LocutusofBorg]

you are for sure not the right man who can estimate how many
people have probs and how many not. You do not have stats
how much people USE our software, incl. WhenU and how many
of them run into trouble. You should know that without facts,
all is just an assumption. And thats what you make: assumptions -
and btw. even wrong conclusions, as it is only small minority
who runs into trouble.

And for sure we can decide on our own what we use, WhenU
or google. After all - lets face it: YOUR respect or the one
from ANYONE ELSE, even if its Mother Theresa or President
Mr. Bush, will NOT bring us something to eat. It will not pay
our costs. ATM, we (exactly: I) invested already 30 minutes
to explain this - imho - easy connections - to you.

And that was even easy discussion, only small discussion
about (imho) obvious things. Now maybe you want to think
about the fact that in our laboratory we think the whole
day about technical things, help our users here and this
leave no further time for other jobs.
I can only repeat myself: If your unhappy with DT and/or
our politic here, code a vdrive which is even better then
DT yourself and offer it for free, support it for free and if
you accomplished THAT mission for more than 7! years,
come back and show us how you made it and we will gladly
learn from you how to design software and how to publish!
But it would also not harm whenu after that time have
still an appartment and a car and not live on the streets
or in the next forest We do not need to become millionaires
but it would not be bad if we still look like humans and not
like some bum's