SCSI Blacklists - or why some perfect images won't run with Daemon Tools v4

[Methadon]

still off topic: What about users that say they have slower boot times as a result? If this has been improved- then way to go for vnidia.

Slow boot times you say, I havn't noticed that the drivers has slowed down my boot time.
Did the other users say how much it got slowed down? Many seconds?

I'm gonna examine this later, I'm going to check the boot time with the drivers and without them.

[Underheaven]

nforce ide drivers

still off topic: What about users that say they have slower boot times as a result? If this has been improved- then way to go for vnidia.

[Methadon]

I don't have any problems with the nForce IDE drivers (4.46).

[Kitna]

To be more specific ..have you guys installed the IDE driver
of the nforce, because i dont install that on my rigs since
its reputation for causing problems is widely known.

I thought that until recently too.
The latest nForce IDE driver seems pretty rock solid though.

[Sabrehawk]

I have a DFI NF3 Lanparty and it will of course NOT work
if i leave my drives enabled. I simply disable them in device
manager and things work like a breeze.

To be more specific ..have you guys installed the IDE driver
of the nforce, because i dont install that on my rigs since
its reputation for causing problems is widely known.

[x3r0]

You should be aware, that renaming that in the registry will cause most safedisc games to have an access violation and fail to run. I have tested this with various games.

[Kitna]

Only works for me with SafeDisc.
I still need to unplug for SecuROM & StarForce.
I have nForce 4 (and I have installed SW-IDE 5.52)

[aspexx]

You don't need to disable it in anyway.
I know that because I have a nForce3 chipset.

hmmm lol..i just got SCCT to work..but i gotta disable the IDE/ATAPI controllers tho...i have nforce4 chipset btw..
newayz..SCCT uses starforce but not the newest correct?? So is nforce3/4 mb able to bypass even the most recent SF protected games??

[Methadon]

wait just to clearify...NetSoerfer said that if u have nforce3/4 mb u can just leave ur ide drives as it is..and it would still work? or do u still have to disable it from hardware manager?

You don't need to disable it in anyway.
I know that because I have a nForce3 chipset.

[aspexx]

wait just to clearify...NetSoerfer said that if u have nforce3/4 mb u can just leave ur ide drives as it is..and it would still work? or do u still have to disable it from hardware manager?

[Lagab]

Daemon Tools v4 doesn't work! (Or does it?)

A special note for nForce 3/4 users

The IDE controller that is used on nForce 3/4-based motherboards cannot be directly addressed by today's copy protections; as a result, SCSI blacklists don't work on those systems. If you are fortunate enough to have an nForce 3/4-based system, you should be able to run all the latest SafeDisc-, SecuROM- and StarForce-protected games with your IDE CD/DVD drives plugged in and working.

dt4 works fine for me and my brother, both having K8T800-based motherboards. neither of us needs sd4hide or anything (which wouldn't work anyway, as we both have x64 installed). can't explain why it works, though.

[lance1962]

Intresting

this works for me..

if any wants a script (either vbscript or win32 app(framework 2.0) to do the follow let me know...

okay you can by pass this by removing the following from the registery... dont worry every time you reboot it gets rebuilt.

what I would do is rename it just incase


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi]

if you rename this then all D-Tools Scsi drives are no longer being flagged by the copy protection.

I have verified with some of the new games that have this protection.

just remeber that the
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\
gets rebuilt on a reboot so it will need to be renamed every time..

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi]

also you could do it on any of the d-tools SCSI ports

example

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 0\Scsi Bus 0]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 1\Scsi Bus 0]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 2\Scsi Bus 0]

just remove the one that corresonds to the device that you mounted.


this all worked for me.... but I belive this will be short termed method. I think some new copy protection will look at the scsi port its self.

Intresting workaround will try this out myself - really only a stop gap until the ide jammer or vide is released.

[aant]

I'm using DT for logn, long time.
I'm wondering is there is any tool that can hide DT v4 like DT v347?

[freibuis]

re: SCSI Protection

this works for me..

if any wants a script (either vbscript or win32 app(framework 2.0) to do the follow let me know...

okay you can by pass this by removing the following from the registery... dont worry every time you reboot it gets rebuilt.

what I would do is rename it just incase


[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi]

if you rename this then all D-Tools Scsi drives are no longer being flagged by the copy protection.

I have verified with some of the new games that have this protection.

just remeber that the
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\
gets rebuilt on a reboot so it will need to be renamed every time..

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi]

also you could do it on any of the d-tools SCSI ports

example

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 0\Scsi Bus 0]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 1\Scsi Bus 0]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\Scsi\Scsi Port 2\Scsi Bus 0]

just remove the one that corresonds to the device that you mounted.


this all worked for me.... but I belive this will be short termed method. I think some new copy protection will look at the scsi port its self.

[Alexander]

@NetSoerfer

Thank you for this detailed explanation.

There is also a cheap and working solution to fool the copy protections: I connected all my optical drives to an external raid controller. So I can make an image with my Alcohol retail version (I'm glad that I purchased it in October 2002), mount the image in Daemon Tools 4 and start the game. This works very well without unpluging anything.

PS:
I registered DT4 few days ago because this excellent work deserves the money! Very good Job, DT-teram!