DT4 - kinda useless now?

[HCLivess]

What is SR7 Stop and SD4 Hide?

[firestorm]

i tried it too
sfn didn't crash my system, it did what it had to do... i used sfcure too, it leaded me a bit further ("please type in cdkey"), but as i clicked ok there still was the "please insert the game disc" message... i hope that dt4 will be able to fix that problem... wanna play gt legends

[Methadon]

What is SR7 Stop and SD4 Hide?

They are anti-blacklisting tools.

[Dllfile]

What is SR7 Stop and SD4 Hide?

Sr7 Stop is SecuROM hider, it hides virtual drives from SecuROM 7

SD4hide is SafeDisc 4 Hider, does the same as above, cept it hides Virtual Drives from SafeDisc 4.

[Nordoelum]

They are anti-blacklisting tools.

Please explaine?

[NetSoerfer]

Copy protections have blacklists, lists of programs that may not be installed on the machine. If one of those programs is found, the game will not run.

Daemon Tools hasn't been updated in a long time due to the development of DTv4 that was rewritten from scratch, so the last version is blacklisted by most current copy protections. However, those mentioned tools can block the blacklist so a game will run although DT is installed.

[LocutusofBorg]

As you keep postponding it, it gets more useless with time.
Now, we have SR7 Stop and SD4 Hide, 2 tools which allow us to work with those 2 protections using DT V3.47 or Alcohol 120% with not problems at all. If you would have released DT V4 on time, it would have been revolutionary, but now, it just looks like you combined everything into one software, which is more convinient, but not something to really expect to.
So my point/question is: How does DT V4 will differentiate from those combinations that I mentioned before besides combining it?

This is from one point of view crap - and from another, it's true

The truth is: with enough dedication, you still are able to run
most games with V3.47 - of course only in combination with
the above mentioned tools.
But it doesn't fix the mechanisms basically and it is only a
matter of time, when protections close the gaps that those
mentioned tools use to fool the protection.

On the other hand, V4 is not only rewritten, it also is a new
"mechanic" behind it.

[ß]

today is the 14th...
no it's not what you think...
i only mention it because it was a week ago today that i went to see DOOM the movie, it was ok!! ;-)

anyone else watched it ?

[Dark Arbitor]

No, but I heard it has a section with an interesting first-person perspective remniscent of the games. And today is only the 13th where I'm at :wink:

Arb

[TRM]

anyone else watched it ?

sure, a lot of people ;-)

[Kinlaadare]

(...)
anyone else watched it ?

nah, and I'm wondering if I'll go see it when it'll come out in my lil town... Maybe, maybe not, dunno.

[Nordoelum]

Copy protections have blacklists, lists of programs that may not be installed on the machine. If one of those programs is found, the game will not run.

Daemon Tools hasn't been updated in a long time due to the development of DTv4 that was rewritten from scratch, so the last version is blacklisted by most current copy protections. However, those mentioned tools can block the blacklist so a game will run although DT is installed.

Thank you NetSoerfer

But how is DT4 gonna fool this then? Must you rewrite the code all the time, so the protection can't find it?

[Kinlaadare]

They rewrote it from scratch... and I also heard the core is heavily encrypted to prevent reverse engineering... which will contribute to make it even harder to blacklist.

[AnalCobra]

DTv4 has a fully new code.
There's no identical code between DT 3.47 and DT 4.

[Nordoelum]

They rewrote it from scratch... and I also heard the core is heavily encrypted to prevent reverse engineering... which will contribute to make it even harder to blacklist.

That I know. But on a later stage, when SecuROM or/and SafeDick is blacklisting DT again?