To Be Free or Not To Be Free, That Is The Question...

[chris622000]

junkware

why? Because most of the people can't imagine what it costs
to run such a project - they just don't even think we work
hard. I learned all this the hard way. Although 99% of our
users are really nice persons and in general not so easy get
in rage, there are always persons who freak out, regardless
what you do. This is the price for being "popular".

Some guys even know better how to make this and that, they
send us their suggestions or post here and have absolutley no
idea what happened behind the scenery. The last poster above
you, a203xi, don't even read my last post carefully. With
popularity, there comes always this problems, I guess it can't
be avoided. People complain here although they don't have to
pay a single cent for it. For what we post. For HOW we post.
For not deliver it asap. For slow website. For new design. For
the hunger in the world and their personal problems (yes, I
know this is a fact, I already discussed with such people)

They told us we are idiots, greedy and
we are the slowest developers they ever see. The list is end-
less. I think the honor people now understand why we need
from time to time some nice words. If you are not able to
chose "not install DaemonTools Searchbar" - then better don't
install DaemonTools at all. It might be a too complex application for you

Call this what it is. People have no loyalty to daemon tools anymore then people had any loyalty to the the first wordperfect versions or Lotus 1-2-3. The main problem I have with your program is you say the spyware is optional just a question for you lotus borg how many program developers have optional components preselected it is in fact part of you main program. Hiding behind the End User License Agreement for deceptive installation techniques should be above the OS community and it is you have sold out. The fact you have put your name in the front of the junkware instead of the real SaveNow/Search or When U search is further evidence of deceptive installation techniques intended to dupe the user into thinking it is part of the daemon tools program.

[LocutusofBorg]

I guess I can save my time to answer that, all that I can say
was already said. If you can't read our releasenotes before
you install, you are not in the condition to come here and
complain. Apart from that: Yes, of course we want that many
people install it. The whole discussion here is pointless.
I say: take a look to this forum - do you have the feeling that
we have a "loyalty problem"? Not from my statistics here. But
loyalty is nothing you can eat, think about it. You have always
the option to not install DaemonTools in general - deinstall it
and you have 100% no problem, at least not with us. One
comment: If you think we are that "hiders" and try to fool you:
why is that thread here? Why is your post here? Remember
that several links are from mainpage to this forum! We have
nothing to hide. The Searchbar from us is indeed not same as
usual standard-bar and we add even new functional benefit
to it in the next versions. Apart from that: yes, by default it
is opt-in. But we tell you about BEFORE. We also thought
about the other way around, but in that case people come
here and complain: Why should I activate it if even you set
it by default to off.
BTW: My name is Locutus, not Lotus

[TRM]

We also thought
about the other way around, but in that case people come
here and complain: Why should I activate it if even you set
it by default to off.
BTW: My name is Locutus, not Lotus

Hey, Lotus-flower ;-)

Thats the idea.. Lets ALL options unchecked. So the users have to check itselfs.. then if some people comes to complain - there is one more definitily clear, they cant read, they cant understand.
And then it's not your problem again. Try it out, i will see, what happen.
Or it's not a good idea?

[kukubau]

I think some Google Ads would make a nice additon to the site. Some cents here and there wouldn't hurt, would it?

[TRM]

I think some Google Ads would make a nice additon to the site.

Still here. Try to logout, then look into some Threads. You will find Ads. So only for NON-Users or Users who are'nt logged in..

[Sabrehawk]

I can understand the needs for revenues and the
need to get some cash out of hard labor is undisputable.

DT Team has tried to walk the way of light with their
product thats for sure. But one point is really a point...

The installer should be redesigned what my preposter
has said. Actual user consent needed to install additional
adware portion of the software and not vice versa like
it is right now (having to uncheck a checkbox which can
easily be overlooked or does not appear at all due to
a weird bug). No problem for me if the installer has a
big pledge of the maker in it that explains that they
really are grateful if you activate it and that you will
support their work by doing it etc etc. That would be
the path of light and the absolutely correct way of
handling things. And then u will really get a actual
feedback about how many people really dont care or
at least oblige to have any sort of third party software
on their computer and it wont be up to guessing and
stating opinions about how many percent of your users
dont have a problem (how many percent of the users
even know this website btw, theres a load of people
that never bothers to visit a forum, they will simply run
adaware and remove that crap if they missed the option
to not install it). And maybe they will have a bad feeling
left over after it comes to their mind that their beloved
DT has installed that (even if they were to hasty to
read the installer infos and yes its their own "fault" it
will not give good feelings afterwards and they most
certainly will never ever register the software).

Conclusion. You are deserving benefits but also you
are to think about the path of light Mr. Lotus-Blüte
and that means uncheck the box per default and make
a HUGE prominent installer notice about your financial
needs and we will see how many people are willing to
sacrifice minimal cpu cycles and bandwith and other
potential things to support your efforts and will check
the box then. Also add a timer to the installer notice
window so people cant just powerclick thru all of it.


This will hugely improve your reputation amongst those
who dont like the whole adware story optional or not
optional is most secondary in this issue. Its about the
old-skool code of conduct in the scene where a lot
of people including you guys emerged from

[TRM]

Hi, on the site, where any user can download the FREE version of DT4 is a BIG announced text and this is free for ANYBODY to read ;-)

i dont miss a big Textfield or somrthing like this, where the adware is explained. Because i can read, understand and last,but not least - i'm a customer even like you ;-)

So i don't care a pap for it, if the checkboxes are filled or not.
Point, thats my last post in this Threat :-)

[Copytrooper]

I don't see why the installer should be "redesigned". Even if you "forgot" to disable the installation, it is still possible to cancel the WhenU EULA to prevent installation. And even if you "accidentally" accepted the WhenU EULA you can remove WhenU stuff quite easily via control panel -> software. And even if this fails due to whatever reason there are enough programs available to get rid of it.
And btw it is always a good idea to read what you're about to install before clicking "ok".
Moreover there is another quite easy option to avoid adware: Register Daemon Tools some advantages:
- No adware,
- Pro version available for free when released,
- priority support
Ain't it cool?

[Jito463]

I was just about to post what Copytrooper posted, but he said almost everything I was going to.

@Sabrehawk
The reason your installer doesn't have a checkbox for the adware is because you are a customer. The customer version (well, x86 version anyway) did not contain the search bar.

[ranbato]

Whining Freeloaders

'nuff said.

For just a few $$ you too support DT and can be surprised to find that there are ads anywhere. Heck, I have 10(14? I forget) licenses!

If you guys would quit whining and get a job at McDonalds you would have already have made enough money to pay for a copy.

[Nikos]

Let's not forget that DTools 3 wasn't freeware either. I always read the licenses/agreements/whatever texts of the tools I install. It was explicitly stated that DTools 3 is not freeware. The developers merely granted permission to individuals to use it for free, that's all.

Everyone complaining about how "DTools sold out" is just brain damaged, IMNSHO.

[bras0782]

Stop Moaning!!!

I've just read through these posts and noticed that most people who complain about the adware have just registered their account to moan. The defenders on the other hand all have many posts. So I decided to make a change by NOT moaning on my first post.

Instead I'd like to thank everyone involved in DT - thanks for all your hard work and effort. Also, thanks for still keeping the software free and giving users the option to support you two ways (licence or whenu) IF THEY CHOOSE TO SUPPORT.

To all you guys complaining, just take a moment and think about what you have ever contributed. I may be wrong, but all I can see is a load of good-for-nothings who want something for free. They want to download DT and use it to their hearts contents without ever giving a thought to the effort involved.

WHY DO YOU GUYS COMPLAIN ABOUT SOFTWARE WHICH YOU ARE PAYING NOTHING FOR????

So stop whining and moaning and do something useful with your time. Appreciate what you have available, appreciate the effort that goes into what you take for granted and for crying out loud STOP SAYING DT SOLD OUT!!!

Finally, I'd like to add that I am not a regular on this website. I have never been to the DT forums before today and have rarely ever visited the site before. I still managed to read all the info about the WhenU software and credit to the DT guys for making things clear. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise you are given a choice about WhenU - so appreciate this...if you can't then just don't use DT at all. I'm sure there are more than enough genuine and thankful users of the software already.

THANKS AGAIN TO THE DT TEAM

[vik]

@ bras0782


Thanks a lot! Our team appreciates such kind of support and warm words!

We will continue our efforts in order to make DT software better.

[Sabrehawk]

about post regarding my ideas and their incorrect assumptions

I have installed various times the NON Customer build of
DT4.0 and i have posted numerous times with screenshot
too that i didnt have a searchbar uninstaller in my control
panel, but idid have WHEN-U in my system after the install.
I also didnt get a extra EULA When-U acceptance window
for the NON customer installer. Weird huh ? I have repeated
this steps various times on old and new Windows
installations. I still think that this is surely not the way it
was designed to be and must be some sort of bug. Dont ask
me why it happened repeatedly on my rig.

And since people often seem to be too stressed to read thru
more than 10 lines of text and processs information i again
repeat.

I think it would be better and moraly more integer to make
the installer OPT IN instead of OPT OUT for the When-U
part. Lots o people power click thru installers and lots of
people get their DT from the site without reading stuff
or they get their DT from other download areas. And since
never before DT has incorpated such things as adware
(optionally or not doesnt matter) noone exspects it to
have it now and jolly roger click away at installation.

The more i read here the more i get the impressions that
some people here put a wager on this facts and do approve
that people install 3rd party Software by accident and
gladly welcome those revenues.

Btw i have read thru the EULA on a other post and the
EULA is horrible it has paradox statements.

I dont trust When-U as far as i could piss across a park.

The things they state about privacy are just about the
same as any spammer or other adware maker does.
After all its what THEY say and heck what u exspect them
to say. Anti-Adware Tool makers seem to have a different
opinion and have not changed it even though When-U
i quote "Is aggressevly reaching out to Anti Adware makers..."


My 2cents. nuff said, do as you please since the whole
thing is just a tiny nuisance and no biggy i will stop
preaching the truth for those who dont want to hear it.

[Jito463]

You do have a point, many people do just click away through installers without reading. But maybe this should be a lesson to them to stop and read what they are installing...