Big Warning Message

[Campaigner]

I've never had a problem either (except that I couldn't rename the virtual drives yesterday but now I can strangely enough) and I've been using it since v.3.47 (I think).

If people don't read the "readmes", notifications before install and stickied threads on forums then it's their own damn fault! It's just like people who don't read safety precautions on machines in factorys and workshops.

But something that the DT team can do would be to have a sticky with incompatible programs and explain whos fault it is that DT doesn't work with those programs and why (if they don't already got that, haven't checked all their forums).

[nao]

I've been running DT (various versions on various system configurations) since 2002 and I've never had a single problem running it. To the originator of this thread, I would strongly urge you to post your system specs; I am certain a great deal of light can be shed over the cause, remedy and future prevention of such experiences!

[Jito463]

It shouldn't, it just won't work when a debugger is active (for hopefully obvious reasons).

[Matt G]

i just wish it didn't confect with softice...

[Jito463]

I can guarantee you that even if a warning was placed on the download page that there would STILL be people who would complain and would never read it. How do I know? People never read the "Read this first" stickied posts in forums. People never read the instructions. And most importantly, people still don't read the message on the download page about the adware in the DTools download and come here to complain about it. The idea isn't a bad one, just pointless, because people don't bother to read.

[FrostFire626]

After all we always said if you don't know what you're doing don't use Daemon Tools.

There is a risk when installing anything. If don't wanna take the risk, dont install DT. Better even, don't install any program

My point is that a warning something along the lines of these statements would be great, without requiring the search of large forums = clearly display it next to DT download links. It would prevent a lot of people's problems before they occur, especially those who mistake DT as a standard application and not a driver.

[al1uk]

inform downloaders of the risk of installing DT BEFORE they need help unscrewing their computers.

There is a risk when installing anything. If don't wanna take the risk, dont install DT. Better even, don't install any program

[Copytrooper]

Actually very few problems are actually caused by Daemon Tools, in most cases just some bug in other software is triggered somehow. And we can and will not fix the bugs of other ppl.
After all we always said if you don't know what you're doing don't use Daemon Tools.

[Reef]

DT causes catostrophic problems on thousands of computers

You forgot to mention the millions of users who don't have any problems with it. Those 'catastrophic problems' are usually caused by badly configured systems (or PEBKAC )

[LocutusofBorg]

sure. As soon as you convince e.g. nVidia, ATI, Microsoft itself
or other driver-vendors to include such message, we will in-
clude it too.

We both park not in the same garage it seems. Here is a huge
help-forum and enough warnings that DT, as ANY driver, can
cause system to hang. However: this is EASILY REVERTABLE

People who does NOT inform about the software which they
install, we can NOT help. Just as a reminder: those people who
have probs are a MINORITY! The messages posted here only
show that ones that have trouble, not the ones where DT runs
flawlessly. Keep that to your facts, DT is installed a millions of
times to users PC's and only few run into probs. And those ones
can easily remove DT. However, we will maybe again add a
"how can I remove DT in case of trouble" text to our installer.

The whole thread here and the "lashing against posters" who
post in such a matter as the thread-starter is not astonishing!

Your posting, while disrespectful, at least contains mainly
your opinion - and as you can see, it is STILL here. We dont
fear "Mr. FrostFire's 626"'s opinion. But for sure we do not
accept shit like:

In my opinion your whole program is as bad or worse than a computer virus

And that was what this thread was about - and the rant
against such posters. Your post was solala. Sensefull
info combined with disrespect and assumptions. However,
now, as stated above, we maybe include this text to our
installer. And you can bet it will not ONE SINGLE person
detain to install DT. But it will hopefully make you happy.
Hopefully.

[FrostFire626]

Do something about it.

This sounds like a big kiss-ass party to me. DT causes catostrophic problems on thousands of computers, you can't deny that. Just in case my new thread doesn't make the cut for whatever reasons, thread summary: inform downloaders of the risk of installing DT BEFORE they need help unscrewing their computers. A minority of internet users thoroughly research the programs that they are downloading/installing, and DT is one that sorely needs to be looked over before use. Time and time again I see forum posts of people who are frustrated to the point of exhaustion over the negative effects of DT, and not once has a DT member implemented a way of warning the vast majority of users who are not as technicall savvy as others about the dangers of using DT or any driver. Stop lashing out against posters who are reporting severe disruptions of their expensive computers and do something about it.

[Xtreme2damax]

Just Installed on Windows XP Home Edition (Latest) How about a big warning message that says: -----------------------------------------------------------
/ \ "If you are not a Windows Kernel Level Software
/ \ Developer the choice to install this program may
/ ! \ destroy your computer!"
/________\
-----------------------------------------------------------

I believe it does. A big warning message pops up before install, It says "SPTD is Incompatable with Kernel Debuggers, if you are using one such as winice (Or whatever it was), either DO NOT Install Daemon Tools, or Uninstall the Kernel Debugger first, or something along those lines.

I just finished installing this after downloading something off the Internet which told me to install this program. After I installed it, I could not restart the computer.

Hmm, maybe what you downloaded or installed contained a Virus, Worm or Trojan, Another reason why people shouldn't download and install warez, that is if you even pirated anything

After many hours of near heart attack emotions the computer is back to a state we could call normal. I have been a Windows user since 1996 (Linux since 1998). I work in the software industry and believe me, from my perspective

Your Perspective? As stated above you should already know about incompatibilities certain software has with certain hardware, the Development team can't test every combination possible as the don't have the resources to do so.

you need this warning on your package.

And it is, right before you install Daemon Tools or SPTD
This one gave me a good laugh:

In my opinion your whole program is as bad or worse than a computer virus.

ROFL!!, I've been using this program for over a year now to play my legally backed up games, and have yet to have any problems with it.

A Computer Virus? thats taking it a bit overboard, daemon tools is in no way is a virus or similar to a virus.

You can't blame D-tools for the searchbar as it is optional to install, meaning you don't have to install it if you don't want to (Just uncheck the Checkbox By the Word "Searchbar" before install, and then your fine. Not only that, they have an entire section devoted to it.

Anyone should have common sense to know that any search bar contains adware, but the searchbar is optional in daemon tools. Not much software gives you the option to not install the adware.

Daemon Tools of anyone has been the most honest and upfront about the optional adware, and not forcing you to install it

[ß]

I just finished installing this after downloading something off the Internet which told me to install this program.

yeah ? what ? a warezed game ??? they normally "tell" people to "mount using dt or alcohol and install, then use file from crack directory......." if not what else ? and if it told you to install software x you would ? (substitute x for a virus or whatever...)

I have been a Windows user since 1996 (Linux since 1998). I work in the software industry...

hmphhhh... yeah.. you really are showing your long term experience. you listed your "credentials" to show us that you know what's what. well then, shouldn't you know better ? shouldn't you have already been well aware of what dt was ?? (and in fact using it already) i don't use many programs out there, but i at least know what they are or used for. and if i'm about to install a program i know nothing about i do some research 1st. and with your "experience" you should know to use a test system or even a multiboot setup (as you have one machine) when installing any major new software that embeds itself into the host o/s. and you should know about dt anyway... it's popular enough. like i said i don't use many popular programs out there either but if i start seeing much writing and internet activity about a specific program i never heard of before i investigate it just out of sheer curiosity and to stay in the loop. again, with your claimed "industry credentials", voluntarily listed by yourself, you either lie or are stupid.

[chrashoverraid]

hey LocutusofBorg i wanna see i really appreciate DT!! this time alot of people are complaining about dt and dtPro but i want to tell you that you are doing a very good job (ofcourse not only you but also the admins, beta testers, and developers). I thank you for the good program! I never had (serious) problems with DT although i installed it on alot of computers!
i hae a question: do people wich are complaining make you angry?? it makes me really angry and this guy didn't use the search because there are so much threads were you can find a solution how you can boot into windows again!!

[Elandril]

Whoa, calm down, David Klassen!

Since you seem to be working with both Windows and Linux for a long time, you should know that installing an application which adds driver components to a running system can always cause some problems. No matter how much a software ist tested and has matured, the sheer volume of available configurations as well as hardware and software products makes it impossible to evaluate every single combination. Naturally there can be some combinations that produce unwanted results. The cause of such complications can often not be sticked just to one of the products involved, because it usually involves many components which all behave in a specific matter to cause said problem.

I have to fully agree with Locutus on this. The DT team is always doing their best to adress all issues as soon as possible, so there is no need to post in offensive language or compare DT with a virus. Someone who - as you claim - works in the software industry should be particularily aware of what a virus is and how much damage those can cause. I would expect better of you!

That said, you should try to post some more information about the circumstances that lead to your problem. What software did you use that told you to install DT? What are your system specs? What was the exact error you got? Did you try to boot into "Save Mode" and uninstall/disable DT/SPTD there?

PS concerning your "only one computer" problem:
As a Linux pro you should have no problem booting a live system (e.g. Knoppix or Ubuntu Live) to get internet access and browse the DT website. And booting into "Save Mode with networking" also lets you at least rudimentarily surf the web.